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Title: Summer Sausage?
Post by: msiler on February 05, 2004, 05:32:09 AM
Does anyone have a good recipe for summer sausage? The recipe I currently use depends on spice blend that my local suplier sells that I have modified. Since i will be moving this summer I need to find a new base recipe (well, either that or buy a ton of it before I move)
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Fuzzybear on February 05, 2004, 11:21:20 PM
www.eldonsausage.com[?]

"A mans got to know his limitations"
Glendora, CA - USA!
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Kummok on February 07, 2004, 07:59:22 AM
Check out "http://himtnjerky.com/jerkyboard/viewtopic.php?t=82"....it's short but will lead you to another possible spice mix at High Mt Jerky, PLUS they recommend jalapenos so it can't be all bad!! [:D]

Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: msiler on February 07, 2004, 10:21:21 PM
Thanks for the sources... I was hoping for just recipes... two reasons
1. It is easier to modify if you know each item going in.
2. My pantry right now is full of specialized mixes and it seems that I would be better off if I just had raw materials.


Most of the other type of saugage and jerky that I make I have developed recipes for but summer sausage is elusive.

Also any ideas where a person would find
corn syrup solids and powdered dextrose
other than ordering online. I can get it now from a local meat processing supplier that also operates a retail outlet but I am not sure if something like that is going to be available when I move to Abilene. I don't always think far enough ahead for ordering online etc... Also not the most patient person in the world...lol


Whne in doubt smoke it.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Fuzzybear on February 07, 2004, 11:55:47 PM
"google" summer sausage recipies and see what comes up....that may help get you going...

Good luck!

"A mans got to know his limitations"
Glendora, CA - USA!
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: msiler on February 08, 2004, 09:19:24 PM
I have Googled it... Even tried a couple of the recipes.... [xx(]NOT GOOD[xx(]
It seems that most of these recipes are for people who lack the proper equipment ie packed in soup cans, or rolled in foil. Baked not smoked. The results have just not been very good. I do have one or two that look promising just have to get some special igredients in order to give it a try.

When in doubt smoke it.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: PAsmoker on February 09, 2004, 07:04:54 PM
Did you try the NWS somking page?  It's outdated but has a number of recipies.  The address is:  http://home.att.net/~g.m.fowler/frame/NWS.htm.  Try the sausage ring & smoke ring as well.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: PAsmoker on February 09, 2004, 07:19:41 PM
Here's another one that may help. http://home.pacbell.net/lpoli/
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on February 12, 2004, 04:32:41 PM
Here is a recipe I have used my self.  It is a recipe I got from a sausage book by Eldon Cutlip.  It is for 10lbs of meat.
5 tablespoons salt
2 tsp curing salt
5 tablespoons powdered dextrose (binding agent)
1 tsp liquid smoke (not necessary)
3 tsp celery powder
3 tsp nutmeg
3 tsp curry powder
3 tsp white pepper
1 cup ice water
1 cup nonfat dry milk
I am usually pretty liberal on my measuring when I make it.  I would rather it be a little spicy than bland.[8D]


Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Fuzzybear on February 14, 2004, 03:25:25 PM
How about....

5lb venison (ground) mixed with beef tallow
6 tsp salt
2 1/5 tsp mustard seed
2 1/5 tsp ground pepper
2 1.5 tsp garlic salt or subsitute this with 3 cloves of garlic

Hickory pucks

mix all in a bowl for 3 days (in the fridge) turning and mixing once a day

on day four, form into rolls - 8 hours at 160-170 degrees....??

I've never tried it but seems weird not to put it in casings...

"A mans got to know his limitations"
Glendora, CA - USA!
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: msiler on February 14, 2004, 05:40:44 PM
I would put it in casings.... I don'tthink it will come ou at the right density if not. Even when i spooned what the stuffer wouldn't stuff into casings it came out rather soft.

When in doubt smoke it.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on February 21, 2004, 05:47:04 PM
My new sausage stuffer is on the way.[:D][:D] My smoked sausage experience has been somewhat limited.  Have stuffed sausage with my electric meat grinder usually, but what a pain.  Too hard to stuff that sticky sausage meat back into the grinder to send it through the stuffing tube.  So I bit the bullet and ordered one of those stainless gear drive hand crank stuffers that press it out with a sealed plunger.  I have tried these and it is soooo much easier.  Hopefully this will encourage me to experiment with more types of sausage if it is faster.[:p]

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on February 21, 2004, 05:57:14 PM
By the way, has anyone ever made sausage and added a fat replacer.[?]  One of my sausage making videos is made by an old sausage guru with a high colestrol problem.  I think others have mentioned this video before (the one made in his own kitchen).  Anyway, for health reasons he mentions that he uses lean meat and adds a fat replacer to duplicate the texture of higher fat sausages.  I see they sell this in the catalog I order all my casing and cures from, but don't know anyone that has tried it.  I like leaner sausage like that made from buffalo or venison here in South Dakota anyway, but the fat replacer could keep it from becoming dry.  Any experience with this stuff[?]

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Cold Smoke on February 21, 2004, 07:45:50 PM
Hey Trout, please make sure to let us know how your sausage making turns out. I've recently purchased that book from Rytek Kutas (don't have the video) and I've been sitting on the fence about buying a sausage stuffer like you describe. I've never made homemade sausage yet but good results from you could help me fall off my wallet and get one. Has anyone used the sausage kits/cures that Hi-Mountain sells?

PS-Where'd you get your stuffer from?

Cold Smoke
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Regforte on February 21, 2004, 08:09:34 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by trout</i>
<br />By the way, has anyone ever made sausage and added a fat replacer.[?]  
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This is a subjective opinion obviously, but here goes. I thought it was awful and I'd never consider using it again. When I want a lower fat product, I keep the added fat to a minimum with the understanding that the sausage won't be as versatile and has to be cooked a certain way (you absolutely can't overcook a lower fat sausage or it will be inedible). There are other tricks you can use to boost the flavor while lowering the fat, but the fat replacer stuff doesn't qualify for me.

My 2c.


Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on February 21, 2004, 11:56:07 PM
Cold smoke, I bought a Trespade 6lb stuffer.  About $170.  Cabelas used to sell a 6lb stuffer also, but now their smallest is 11lb and $230.  Go ahead and try stuffing some sausage with a grinder first.  The meat is very tacky and I have always had trouble feeding it back through.  I think $170 is going to be worth it to make a more fun experience.[;)]

Regforte, opinions are what I am looking for.  Thanks for your take on the fat replacer. [xx(] If others feel the same, I probably won't even try the stuff.

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on February 27, 2004, 12:48:54 AM
My new sausage stuffer arrived a couple days ago and wouldn't ya know it I caught my family's 24hour flu bug.[V]  Haven't even gotten to try it out yet.  Just starting to be able to think about food again today, so maybe this weekend I will be able to smoke some sausages.  Big storm on the way though.  May just read about what everyone else is cooking up.[8D]

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Fuzzybear on February 27, 2004, 01:01:05 AM
Bummer man....hopefully you'll be well enough for the weekend sausage smoke![:D]

"A mans got to know his limitations"
Glendora, CA - USA!
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Chez Bubba on February 27, 2004, 02:29:07 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Regforte</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by trout</i>
<br />By the way, has anyone ever made sausage and added a fat replacer.[?]  
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This is a subjective opinion obviously, but here goes. I thought it was awful and I'd never consider using it again. When I want a lower fat product, I keep the added fat to a minimum with the understanding that the sausage won't be as versatile and has to be cooked a certain way (you absolutely can't overcook a lower fat sausage or it will be inedible). There are other tricks you can use to boost the flavor while lowering the fat, but the fat replacer stuff doesn't qualify for me.

My 2c.



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Are we referring to what The SausageMaker sells as "Soy Protien Concentrate"? Since he uses it in a lot of his recipes, I did too & didn't notice anything negative. Let me quantify that by saying, I've only made fresh sausages to this point, none smoked. Does that make a difference?

If not, I will defer to your experience & try the next batch without it. Maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.[:)]

Kirk

http://www.chezbubba.com
Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Regforte on February 27, 2004, 05:36:14 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Chez Bubba</i>
Are we referring to what The SausageMaker sells as "Soy Protien Concentrate"? Since he uses it in a lot of his recipes, I did too & didn't notice anything negative. Let me quantify that by saying, I've only made fresh sausages to this point, none smoked. Does that make a difference?

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Nope. I've used SPC and it works well, but I now use powdered milk instead of SPC because it's cheaper and easier to get.

What I was talking about was the "Fat Raplacer" stuff.

Fat Replacer (http://"http://sausagemaker.com/store/publish/cart/purchase1.asp?pid=59&XPR=067707620F6A037B0E6C05670A067707620F6A037D0E7005660A&Sess=&OSt=0&CNID=017607037807690F6A03")

In his video Rytek says it's a good product. It's about the only time I've ever disagreed with him [:)]
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Bassman on February 27, 2004, 02:29:39 PM
Here's my opinion,
I have been making sausage (both smoked & fresh)for several years now and have never used fat replacer(what exactly is in that?) or soy protein concentrate.No matter what kind I'm making I don't like fatty sausage, so for fresh sausage I mix it with beef or venison 50/50.For smoked 70/30.The pork I use is ground pork butts, not trimmings.This makes a lean yet delicous product.When a recipe calls for SPC I too use powdered milk instead.In fact the smoked venison sausage recipe I posted is a spin off of Ryteks recipe on page 280.He calls for 12ozs of SPC,I replaced it with 4 envelopes of powdered milk and had excellent results.I don't really know what the fat content comes out to be,but when you cut the sausage you can't see chunks of fat in it.That to me is good.[:p]

<i><font color="blue"><b>Jack</i></font id="blue"></b>
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on March 17, 2004, 06:32:12 PM
Ground up a boneless chuck roast for some summer sausage today.  Mixed in the cure and seasonings and stuffed a couple 2.5 inch thick sausage sticks as long as would fit in the smoker.  New sausage stuffer worked excellent, press stuffer is so much easier than feeding meat back into my meat grinder.  Will post results along with recipe and smoking times tomorrow after they're done.[:p]

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Bassman on March 17, 2004, 07:56:09 PM
Trout,
Did you mix any pork in with the beef? I never made summer sausage,just curious![8D]

<i><font color="blue"><b>Jack</i></font id="blue"></b>
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on March 17, 2004, 11:32:17 PM
I have never mixed any pork in my summer sausage.  I find if you use a cheaper cut of beef such as the chuck roast, there is enough fat in it to make a good sausage without adding any pork.  If I was using venison (didn't get my deer this year), I would add a chunk of pork butt to add some fat.[;)]

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Chez Bubba on March 18, 2004, 02:34:29 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by trout</i>
<br />(didn't get my deer this year)

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Let your deer go and smoke a squirrel instead![:D][:D]

http://www.chezbubba.com
Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Cold Smoke on March 18, 2004, 05:45:16 PM
Good one Kirk!!! I'm still laughing....[:D][:D][:D]

(BTW Trout- not laughing at you).


Cold Smoke
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: MallardWacker on March 18, 2004, 08:20:28 PM
Smoke a <s>squirrl</s> rat? hummm.  I needed the laugh.
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SmokeOn,

mski
Perryville, Arkansas
Wooo-Pig-Soooie

If a man says he knows anything at all, he knows nothing what he aught to know.  But...

Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on March 19, 2004, 01:05:16 AM
Just how many squirrels does it take to make 5lbs of sausage[?]  Finished up my summer sausage this afternoon.  Yummmmmm.  The recipe I used is actually a spicy snack stick recipe, but it makes great summer sausage.
10lbs meat (I used a chuck roast)
3tsp ground celery
3tsp white pepper
3tsp nutmeg
3tsp curry powder
5Tbs salt
2tsp curing salt
1tsp liquid smoke (optional)
1cup non-fat dry milk (binder)
5Tbs powdered dextrose
1cup ice water

I stuffed mine into 2.5 inch casings the length of the racks.
dried at 100F for an hour
started smoke and went to 130F for an hour
went to 150F for an hour
went to 170F for 5 hours to hit internal temp of 152F.

Turned out great.  There was just a bit of fat rendered off the sausage, so next time I will max out the temp at only 160F and let it set for a while longer.

If you don't have all day to do these thick chubs, you can pull them out after a few hours and put them in a 170F hot water bath on the stove until they hit 152F.  Should only take 30 minutes or so.[:p]

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: Bassman on March 19, 2004, 02:56:08 PM
Thanks for the recipe Trout, It sounds really good. I will be trying this next time we make sausage.

<i><font color="blue"><b>Jack</i></font id="blue"></b>
Title: Re: Summer Sausage?
Post by: trout on April 17, 2004, 10:35:18 PM
Made some lean mettwurst this week.  Came out very well, but I am beginning to learn some things:  The last batch of summer sausage I did came out a very nice deep red/brown color.  I had it in the smoker for about 9hours, 4 hours of that with smoke.  I didn't have enough time with the mettwurst so I had to finish it in a 170F hot water bath to bring it to 152F.  Although I applied smoke for the same length of time, the color was not near as deep as the last batch.  When I smoke sausage I start at just over 100F to dry, then apply smoke and raise to 130F then 150F and finally no more than 170F.  I believe it is the time at the higher temps in the smoker that begin to bring on the nice darker color.  Taste is the same with either method, but if you have the time it sure looks better to finish it completely in the smoker.  This is probably why store bought sausage always comes in a dark colored casing (because it has smoke flavor added to the meat and is actually cooked in a steam cabinet).[xx(]

Let your trout go and smoke a salmon instead.