I've been looking around for a sealer. I've come across the Best-Vac from minipack®-america basic price is $225.00. Their special with an assorted of 150 bags is $250.00 @ this addy: Best-Vac (http://www.dougcare.com/foodstorage/homeequip.htm#bestvac). Has anyone used or know anything about this unit.
As soon as the house is finished I will be ageing one full P-rib and T-Bone/ Porter House steaks and I want vacuum seal after the ageing.
Thanks
Olds
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I use a Sam's Club item, the Foodsaver. Many models available, as well as plentiful selection of bagging supplies. If you are using commercially go for the most durable one, but for home use, the Foodsaver works well.
Bill
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Olds,
I have never seen this model in a store or heard of the brand name. I am using a Food Saver and it seems to work good. They make a thick quality bag and it is IMHO one of the best machines that you will find in your average retail store. Below is a quote from the Best Vac web page-
<font size="3"><b><font color="red">." We've vacuumed and sealed 100 pouches in a row just as fast as we could put them in the machine without a slow down! The Best-Vac seal is 5MM wide (over 3/16") and has 4 separate seal settings - compare that to 1/16" wide seals and NO adjustable heat settings. Best-Vac has a trap that keeps solids and some liquid from reaching pump. </font id="red"></b></font id="size3">
The Food Saver instructions recommend a rest period of 2 minutes between each vacuum. This is the one drawback of the Food Saver. One positive for the food saver is that the bags are readily available. The Best Vac says it will trap solids and <u>some liquid</u> from reaching the pump. What is some?
I would say that if you are willing to have a stock of bags and not be a problem ordering bags online everytime that you need more, than this probably is the better machine. I would go for it because after using mine, I find it kind of a hassle waiting for the 2 minute cool down period. (When you make bags off of a roll, you have to seal each end of each pouch so it takes extra time to vacuum the products that you are vacuuming.)
...also, I see that the Best Vac makes vacuum machines for the commercial level. The one thing I can say about commercial vacuum machines is that I hardly ever had any problems with the commercial machines that I have used, and they were used a lot. I also like the idea of the adjustable heat/seal setting. The commercial machines also have this option.
Hope this helps.
Doug
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I never heard of this sealer. I have the Food Saver V835L that I got from Sam's Club. It has a antibacterial drip tray that will trap liquids and keep it from reaching the pump. I only have to wait 20 seconds between bags, which is not a problem. By the time I get the next bag ready to seal, at least 20 seconds has expired. The manual states that under heavy usage it will shut down for about 20 minutes, but I never had that happen to me.
I like the option of making my own size bags, but there are pre-made sizes available, and readily available on-line or at many department stores. Besides Sam's Club, I know that Walmart and Target carries Food Saver bags and accessories.
i have a foodsaver 900. the best vac looks good . i like the big assorment of bags that they sell the zipper bag looks real good. foodsaver bags use the multi layer or another word is a quilted bags so it can suck the air out. wont take a smoth bag, i will order some bags from them to try good price on smaller bags. if you go to the foodsaver website you can get some good deals on vacs or other stuff, foodsaver acc,most of there stuff is sold on ebay at double the price.
Thanks all for the fast replies!
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Oldman-
I too have a food saver. I've had it for 2 years and it gets alot of use in my kitchen. Bags are easy to find and occasionally reuse. Its my recommendation-
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I have just ordered a FoodSaver 550 together with extra bags,two sources they are available from in the UK from are:
www.cucinadirect.com
www.bestdirect.tv
I bought from the latter as it was slightly cheaper and they also had a couple of special offers in place to get extra bags, I hope it will be delivered by the end of the week.
This model seems to be the top one available outside the USA, a look on the FoodSaver website under International Products tells you what is available outside the America and gives a list of International Representatives.
Manxman.
Olds, by no means an expert on these things, but just replaced my old Food Saver after its unforunate demise with a Food Save Professional III. I'm in love with the thing so far, much faster recovery between sealings, and in fact with my usual ineptmess, will probably never over heat it. Also allows for various heat settings, and a manual seal option. Has a much better drip-tray than my old one...can't even remember the model #, I thnk it was the original that came out about 8-10 years ago or so....$$ at least at the store I picked it up was about the same you are looking at with this other outfit (and I'll be honest, I didn't read the info you provided....something about supposedly working right now[:D])
Good luck whichever way you go and let us know how it works out for ya'!!
Olds,
My only $0.02 is that the Food Saver bags are available in rolls, allowing you the flexibility of creating your own size. That way, you have the ability to do a whole pork loin or prime rib. With the pre-made bags, you're sometimes wasting a lot if you only want to vac one item.
Kirk
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Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
St. Helens Smoker,
I downloaded the product manual for your unit. Nice to say the least. I also found a site that will sell the rolls 12 rolls for 120.00. I don't know how that compairs with retail stores.
jaeger,
Concerning the question of "some liquid" It was suggest by Food Save in there manual to pre- freeze raw meat for a couple of hours first. Makes sense.
Seeing how everyone here uses a Food Saver I guess I will go along with the group.
Manual (http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/shared/productmanuals/866223040.pdf)
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I downloaded the product manual for your unit. Nice to say the least. I also found a site that will sell the rolls 12 rolls for 120.00. I don't know how that compairs with retail stores.
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12 for 120.00? Hmmm, very,very tempting...now just convincing the missus that 3 garages and 1/2 a house full of stuff are not sufficent , but then again she suggested I lease the warehouse before building a shop....[:D]
If you buy enough bags for 2-3 months, and sign up for FoodSaver's e-mail notifications, they frequently have sales on bags and accessories that can't be matched anywhere else (web or retail store).
Rolls are ONLY way to go.....and Habanero's KEEE-RECT, the Foodsaver website is the way to buy IF you live in America, (not sure about shipping to "Southern Alaska", aka BC, YT, etc[;)]),...otherwise shipping kills the deals since they won't ship USPS. I get mine as "in bulk" as Coscto sells them.
I've tried the "freeze first" method and don't like it because the meats aren't soft enough to lay flat for storage. I use the rolled paper towel at the mouth of the bag and it works great for trapping liquids.
Best bet, (on my "someday" horizon), is the commercial vac sealer machines that use a chamber for sealing. No special embossed bags, (waaaay cheaper), and no worry about liquids since you're not "sucking" the air outta a bag that's in a different atmosphere...in the commercial, the whole bag, inside AND out, is in the same atmosphere. The drawback of course, is that even a used machine in good shape starts at around $1500, IF you're lucky enough to find one....new is $2500-$3000 and up. Smokers that live close to each other could co-op one, I reckon, but they are DEFINITELY the way to seal, in volume[:)][8D]
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
I believe I read where the new model Food Saver has a seal-on-demand feature, so as the liquid approaches, you can just seal it then. Even claimed you could do soups.
I'll have to look for a link.
Kirk
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Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
Kummok,
You are not going to believe this and I could kick myself now for it, but last year when I got that grill the guy had a chamber unit that looked almost as new as the grill for only $750.00!
<hr noshade size="1"><b>I've tried the "freeze first" method and don't like it because the meats aren't soft enough to lay flat for storage. I use the rolled paper towel at the mouth of the bag and it works great for trapping liquids.</b><hr noshade size="1">
Nice idea on the paper towel. However, on the steaks for example the full Prime Rib, after ageing I will bone it out then freeze the whole piece of meat for a few hours then make my cuts.
<hr noshade size="1"><b> I believe I read where the new model Food Saver has a seal-on-demand feature, so as the liquid approaches, you can just seal it then. Even claimed you could do soups.
I'll have to look for a link.</b><hr noshade size="1">
Please do Chez Ole Boy~~!
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Instant Seal stops the vacuum process to prevent crushing delicate items. this is the key feature you are looking for.
go here. http://www.foodsaver.com/ or some really good deals go here, http://www.foodsaver.com/products.ad2?catalogID=1016
Interesting,
I see that Food Saver sell there Professional III for more than their dealers....
FoodSaver Professional III (http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/productaddonsdetails.asp?source=aceoutlet&id=866223040) Vacuum Sealer Kit from Ace Hardware Outlet--<i>$229.00 & Free Shipping</i>. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">All Items are Brand New - We Do Not sell Used, Rebuilt or Refurbished Products....Normally Ships Same Day if Ordered Before Noon (Item in Stock) <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">This company does not offer bulk rolls of 12. However, what is interesting is they sell their two pack rolls 8" or 11" for $18.29 which is the cheaper per roll then the 12 roll pack.
If you are willing to take one larger roll of 8" X 22' (http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/productaddonsdetails.asp?id=6069645&theSessionID=b0cb09db2da7e444ae65b4da5611b998&mode=advanced&manufacturer=86622&fromprice=0&toprice=0&sku=0&manufacturersku=&UPC=0&category=0&categoryname=&subcategory=0&subcategoryname=&narrowsearchflag=&pages=1&searchtype=1&ShowType=1&manufacturers=86622%20&fromprices=&toprices=&lists=&orders=&narrowmanu=86622&narFlag=) or 11" X 18' (http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/productaddonsdetails.asp?id=6069637&theSessionID=b0cb09db2da7e444ae65b4da5611b998&mode=advanced&manufacturer=86622&fromprice=0&toprice=0&sku=0&manufacturersku=&UPC=0&category=0&categoryname=&subcategory=0&subcategoryname=&narrowsearchflag=&pages=1&searchtype=1&ShowType=1&manufacturers=86622%20&fromprices=&toprices=&lists=&orders=&narrowmanu=86622&narFlag=) the cost goes down to $12.99 per roll.
Given that on the FoodSaver site that 2 rolls of 11" X 9' cost $20.99 I think this is one heck of a savings of $8.00 a copy!
It looks like they also carry the full line: Accessories (http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/searchresults.asp?mode=advanced&manufacturer=86622&searchtype=1&theSessionID=b0cb09db2da7e444ae65b4da5611b998)
Given that Ace is a large company I feel pretty good about ordering from them.
EDIT: I just E-mailed FoodSaver to make sure these larger rolls will fit. I also E-mailed Ace with the same question.
Olds
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Yup...I can validate that even my 3 year old Costco model Foodsaver has the manual "seal it now" feature......
Olds:
Ouch!! I don't reckon he also had an old Harley still wrapped in the cosmoline (sp?) for $150 in his old barn too?!?![:0][;)][:D] That was a STEAL!! It's worth mentioning that, if you get that close to a chamber unit again, make certain that the pump is "wet" e.g. lubricated, instead of "dry". (Walk away Kirk, jes walk away![:D][;)])
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">if you get that close to a chamber unit again, make certain that the pump is "wet" e.g. lubricated, instead of "dry". <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I'm not certain what you are saying here???
Olds
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Thanks for the source on Foodsaver supplies. Good old Ace Hardware...didn't think about them.
Bill
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olds the 11" bags will fit. 11"x18' rolls fpr $9.99 click here http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU=11839967
I'll have to see if I can find some info on the unit that was at our state fair, it looked better than most of the units you find in stores, it bordered on being a commercial unit.
I'll be in the market for one as well shortly.
Olds:
Dry is unlubricated and/or sealed vacuum pump, just like the Foodsaver style. Wet has lubrication sump. As you might guess, "wet" is more expensive. Check with seller or product specs before purchase. (I've got this mental picture of Kirk trying to wrap chains around his mouth, hopping about the room yelling a muffled, "WON'T GO THERE, WON'T GO THERE....")[:D][:D][;)][:D]
Birdboy:
Ain't no such thing as bordering on commercial....it IS or it AIN'T and, IMHO, if it doesn't have a vacuum chamber, it ain't! [:D][;)] I've seen the little suckers (pun intended!) that look like a Foodsaver on steriods, (see http://www.cabelas.com/products/Cpod0015243.jsp ), but the true commercial/industrial food sealers seal in a separate pressure environment/atmosphere than our breathing space (the chamber), they use different non-embossed/lower cost/high volume bags, they seal multiple bags at once, they can seal liquids (like soup!), they use bigger/better/faster/longer lasting pumps, and on, and on...See http://www.officezone.com/vacuum_sealers.htm for examples. I think the stores use "commercial" as a marketing ploy to get us testosteroned-up cooks/smokers to think we're getting the Binford 5000, when we're in fact just getting a bigger/better Foodsaver with a few more features and get the "commercial" label by using a "commercially rated" pump.....ain't NOTHING wrong with Foodsaver mind you, I use one myself for the last several years and love the little hard working sucker (there I go again[:D]). But when I finally have it together enough to get the ultimate food sealer, it'll be jes like the ones in the pictures at officezone.com[:p][:p][:D][:D][:D]
Also, check out http://www.texastastes.com/p1682.htm These guys carry all kinds of household and TRUE commercial sealers, including some sealers that use the cheaper, non-embossed bags in $169 range!![:p][:D][:D]
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
The reply from FoodSaver.
<hr noshade size="1">Dear Raye Minor,
Thank you for contacting Tilia Direct, Inc.
We appreciate your interest in the FoodSaver Professional III.
The Professional III is a full-sized FoodSaver unit and is capable of using all sizes of FoodSaver pre-cut Bags and all sizes of FoodSaver Rolls.
Our Customer Service department offers a full array of FoodSaver machines and accessories. Accessories include FoodSaver pre-cut bags, rolls of bag material, universal lids, jar sealers, bottle stoppers, and canisters. If you would like to purchase a FoodSaver machine or additional accessories, or if we can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us. Our toll free number is 1-800-777-5452. Our hours are 8 am - 8 pm Monday through Friday, and 9 am - 6 pm Saturday, Eastern Time.
Sincerely,
Ann Savacool
Tilia Consumer Services
Olds
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SMOKEHOUSE ROB
Thanks for the link...great price!
EDIT: Ace has a link if you find a better price. I linked them up...maybe they will do better~~LOL!
Olds
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:11 PM
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>i have lowered the price on our website.
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> Angelo
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Reply from Ace and my reply....
<hr noshade size="1">Thanks... but give us a reason to purchase it from you... I'm part of a food smoker's site that is interested in any offer that best what we already have. If you cannot best this offer we understand.
Here is the site: http://bradleysmoker.com/forum/default.asp I believe we have over a 1000 members and are ghosted several times that traffic.
If you want our business we are looking for a better price.... The member who brougth this up likes the other site...as they are timinly and the cost and free shipping is great! Do better or we will stay with them..... Your call.
Raye Minor.
<b> Let's see what their reply is.... If they take off a buck then let's do business with them.</b><hr noshade size="1">
> www.acehardwareoutlet.com
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> SKU: 6069645
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> Description: FoodSaver VacLoc Roll 8X22 1 ROLL
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Oldman</i>
<br />.... If they take off a buck then let's do business with them.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
If you're trying to squeeze them for $1, you'll probably want to look REAL close at the cost of bags if you've got your heart (and wallet) set on Talia's Foodsaver at around $229ish with Foodsaver bags at around $10 for one 8"X22" roll (which cuts up into 22 ea 12" bags). That's US $.45/bag (You might also want to consider their roll cutter or even cooler Foodsaver Center with cutter...$19-$25. I've used the scissor routine for a few years and it sucks...I now have the Foodsaver Center and my fingers are saved for fishing.)
http://www.texastastes.com/p1682.htm has a "Heavy Duty Vacuum Sealer for US$169.99.; Commercial bags in that same 8"X12 size run US $14.99 PER 100. That's US $.15/bag!!
They also show a really cool looking "Binford 1000" SS model for US $299.99 that uses special bags (just like Foodsaver does) that run US $29.99 for 100 8"X12" bags...that's US $.30/bag v.s Foodsaver's US $.45/bag
Ace definitely AIN'T my place for the money on this one..............[8D][:(][xx(]
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
K-man,
Can these other bags be boiled & microwaved like the Food Saver's claim to be? We're planning on upgrading our suck machine but due to Smokehouse Rob's great idea regarding our Indy effort, they would need to be boilable. (Is that a word?)
Kirk
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Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
boilable sounds like a word to me Chez[:)]
Steve
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Chez Bubba</i>
<br />K-man,
Can these other bags be boiled & microwaved like the Food Saver's claim to be? We're planning on upgrading our suck machine but due to Smokehouse Rob's great idea regarding our Indy effort, they would need to be boilable. (Is that a word?)
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"Boilable" works! It's even on a website where commercial boilable/microwavable bags are sold...http://www.dougcare.com/packsupplies/3milboil.htm They have several sizes of boilable bags...for comparison, the 8"X12" size is US $ .07/bag but they have as large as 16"X26" for US $.30/bag
Also, for those considering Foodsavers, here's a site with a great comparison chart for the features of the different Foodsaver models... http://www.wellscan.ca/foodsaver.htm
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
Ok hold the phone. Can anyone tell me the difference between these pictures?
(http://www.dougcare.com/foodstorage/graphics/sinbo3.jpg) (http://www.texastastes.com/645366.jpg)
(http://www.sorbentsystems.com/images/sinbopic.jpg)
From what I can see and also after being on the net for several hours I think these are all the same machine. The SINBO VS-280 vacuum packer. The company selling the first one says it will vacuum an 11" bag. The company selling the second one say it will vacuum an 11 3/4" bag--A size I have not yet found. The company selling the third one says it will vacuum a 10.8" wide bag. Again another strange size. The cost runs from $102.00-$169.99.
The information below came from this site:
SorbentSystems (http://www.sorbentsystems.com/sinbosealer.html)
<hr noshade size="1"><font color="blue">It is important to realize that with Keepfresh VS-280 vacuum sealer, you can use any bag designed to hold a vacuum. For example, the bags with the "patterned surface" sell for $.38 to $.48 each (8 x 12). Ours are less than $.08 each! That makes this machine much much lower in operating cost than any other model out there.</font id="blue"><hr noshade size="1">
And:
<hr noshade size="1"><font color="blue">Vacuum Pouches
Here is a bag that you can use on the VS280, but not on a MagicVac® or any channel/embossed bag home vacuum sealer. The bottom of the pouch is open and the area around the plastic zipper is securely sealed in place. Place product in pouch, vacuum seal closed, once package is opened there is no need to transfer to another ziplock bag. Perfect for sliced turkey, ham, and roast. Save $$$ by creating your own deli packages. </font id="blue">
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I like the idea of these being a zip lock type; however, I cannot find where you can boil them. The cost on a purchase of 100 of these @ 8' x 12" is 16 1/2 cents
Now all said and done I believe these folks SorbentSystems (http://sorbentsystems.com/) are either the main distributer or the manfacture. Here is what they also had to say about this unit:
<hr noshade size="1"><font color="blue">The VS280 laboratory vacuum sealer <b>(also suitable for home use)</b> combines the benefits of compact design and efficiency. This rugged little unit has some of the features found on industrial snorkel vacuum sealers at a fraction of the price. Features such as a retractable metal nozzle, dual side by side seal and a solid state seal timer. Used in quality control laboratories in electronics, food processing facilities, it has also proven useful to homemakers, fishermen, backpackers, and collectors of books, coins, etc. <b>This is the ONLY low cost vacuum sealer that does not require the use of special bags.</b></font id="blue"><hr noshade size="1">
This is their picture of the unit:
(http://sorbentsystems.com/images/sinboparts.jpg)
This is there Home Page (http://sorbentsystems.com/). The unit is listed under commercial vacuum systems.
These are the people who are selling it for $102.00. DCE (http://www.dougcare.com/foodstorage/homeequip.htm)
My thought here is given this machine will seal any type of sealable bag for items that you would not boil etc. you would use the std. 3 mil bag. For items you want to reheat in then you would use the that type. The best of both worlds. I like this idea.
One of the items my family likes is my beef vegetable soup. My idea is to freeze the soup in to single size servings then vacuum them. I had been using small ziplock bags.
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Olds,
I think this looks like a great deal on a nice machine. A lot of items that you will be sealing won't require more than a 3 ml bag. Purchasing the bags presized at such a low cost can't be beat! The only thing, you may be hard pressed to fit a whole prime rib in a 10 to 11" bag, which I believe you said was one of your needs. (Check this out, take 2 sheets of standard 8x11 paper and see what kind of an opening you will have with an 11 inch wide bag, which actually is only going to be a 10" wide bag.) I just wanted to point out the size you will have to work with using this machine.
...now Olds, I'm not trying to be technical, but listing this on their web page as a commercial unit may be a little bit of an overstatement IMHO.
Overall, I would go for it since the bags are such a great price and a HUGE convenience. I much prefer using presized bags as opposed to making my own out of a roll. That alone would be the deciding factor.
One more thing, I would take a tape measure and see if the sizes of bags in their bag deal are the correct sizes for your needs. You may be able to order just what you need and be actually saving in the long run!! [;)]
Doug
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I may have missed the answer to this question, but will the Tilia FoodSaver work using just a regular type 3ml bag? I have a Food Saver and access to this type of bag in various sizes, I will give it a try.
Doug
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<b><font size="3"><font color="orange">Test Results</font id="orange"></font id="size3"></b>
I tried to vacuum a 3 ml plain bag (Not foodsaver brand) and the bag would seal, but would not vacuum. I then tried the foodsaver bag, which worked fine.
I wanted to make sure it wasn't an operator failure! [;)]
Doug
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by jaeger</i>
<br />I may have missed the answer to this question, but will the Tilia FoodSaver work using just a regular type 3ml bag? I have a Food Saver and access to this type of bag in various sizes, I will give it a try.
Doug
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Doug:
Nope, they'll seal but not "vacuum". The Foodsaver types need the embossed bag to allow air movement. Commercial types use either a nozzle or atmospheric chamber to evacuate air...The embossing is what makes the Foodsaver type bags more expensive.....
Olds;
Still awaiting an answer from supplier to tell you more on your question about bags.....
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
Olds
The Sinbo is to vacuum sealers what the "Goldstar" or "Sanyo" is to TVs....its a great little inexpensive Korean made household sealer that has found its way into small food and non-food commercial packaging operations. It's cheap to buy and cheap to operate, using the non-embossed commercial bags. The drawback is the throat size being the same as other household vac sealers...max 11". I've seen sites list it as everything from 10.5" to 11.75" sealing area....it matters little because all the commercial bags I've seen are either 10" or 12", so you'll be using 10" max on this. The problem I can see with the Sinbo is that, to us "pay more to get more" mentality spoiled Americans, "it's TOO cheap so it must be low quality". Like Goldstar TVs, I doubt that's the case with Sinbo, but I don't have any experience with the sealer to advise anyone else on purchasing it.......for the cheap price of $102 and being able to use commercial bags, it's worth the shot even if it only lasts a year of hard use! It also uses a nozzle...that's what allows it to use non-embossed commercial bags....that nozzle looks a little tricky to learn to use, but definitely not a deal killer.
As far as the zip top, bottom load vac bags being microwaveable, I asked "sales" at http://www.agribags.com/vacbagprices.html but I'm still waiting to hear whether their .3mil size is boilable/microwaveable That bag runs US $.14 for the 8"X10" size I've been using as comparison.
With all the cool counter toys you've been showing, I can't believe you aren't getting the "Binford 1000" SS model" aka, the Automatic Vacuum Machine (Item # 645398) at http://www.texastastes.com/p1682.htm [:D][;)][:D][:D]
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
Kummok thanks for all of your input concerning this matter!
Well I did it. I ordered the SINBO with the following package:
200 8" x 10" 3 mil pouches
100 10" x 13" 3 mil pouches
100 6" x 8.5" 3 mil high barrier pouches
100 8" x 10" 3 mil high barrier zipper pouches
The reason I got 200 8" x 10" 3 mil pouches is in Doug's package deal there was a small 2.5" x 10" size I did not want. So for $5.00 over the regular package deal Doug gave me another 100 8" x 10" in their place.
Can you boil them in water? Yes and no. However, I will bet my bottom dollar I can place them in 195 F water and not bust a bag.
Anyway I got the whole deal for $157.00 plus shipping. I talked with the owner, Doug (http://www.dougcare.com/foodstorage/homeequip.htm), for a good 45 minutes. A great guy to talk with over the phone. He also told me that the instructions that came with the unit are at best "weak" so he made up his own to help people understand how to use this unit~~!
Seeing how it is the same unit as this one: Country Heinsohn's Store (http://www.texastastes.com/p1682.html) that sells for $169.99 with no bags I think I worked my best deal.
Why did I purchase this one over the fancy ones? It will do everything I need.
Olds
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EDIT Now if Chez reads this Doug sells a <b>Nylon Poly Boilable Vacuum Pouches 3 Mil</b>--in bulk only I believe. However, at <font color="red"><b>6 cents a copy for an 8 x 10</b></font id="red"> (2000 count $119.00) I would think that cost would help you out in your packageing food to sell at the races. For $221.00 you would have a machine and 2000 bags!
EDIT My wife is now excited as she has every <font color="blue">National Geographic Magazine since January 1935</font id="blue"> and a few older than that. In fact she has one from 1914! Well she wants to vacuum them~~! I guess I will be calling Doug for more of those 10" x 13" bags.
You talk about a <b>time capsule</b> in the later 1940s to the earlier 1950s I saw an ad that said something to the effect: <font color="green">Soon the wave of the future will be coming to your home. A Telephone Salesman will be knocking on your door~~!</font id="green">
Congrats Olds...you got a great deal....wish I'd known about these BEFORE the Foodsaver purchase. Anxious to hear your performance report cause I'll likely switch when I use up my last few embossed EXPENSIVE bag rolls. At $157 I'll save considerably over restocking the 4-5 boxes of Foodsaver bags at around $40/box. I can squirrel away the savings for the big chamber vac "someday"...[:p][:)][8D]
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
Chez-
The new foodsaver is a little bigger than the old one but also stores a roll of bags in the unit.[^][^][^]
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oldman, when you get your new toy, do me one favor, do a test for me, take a empty soda can and put into a bag, then hook her up and see if your new machine will suck the air out and crush a soda can flat, please, if it does then i am sold on it, will be my new toy, LOL thank you sir.
I use the foodsaver as the rolls are available in two different widths and are available in Walmart, Costco and Canuck Tire. Reading all the posts I think all brands pretty much do the same thing.
Addicted to Smokin[:p][:p][:p]
Dan R @ Fort St. John BC
Smokehouse Rob,
It had better crush a can... The vacuum is rated in Vacuum : 0.035 MPa, and I believe that is about 10.4 Hg (1/3 of absolute vacuum.)
Now 1 inch of Hg. equals 13.6 - 14 inches of water lift. I have a 3 stage vacuum motor that will crush a soda can and it has 137.1 inches of water lift. It will crush that can long before it winds up to maximum water lift.
So if the unit does in fact vacuum at 10.4 Hg and we times that by the factor of 14 the total inches of water lift should be 145.6" If this is the case that soda can is in big trouble~~! LOL!
This is a good question and I will be looking forward to testing this out.
Olds
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SMOKEHOUSE ROB</i>
<br />.....hook her up and see if your new machine will suck the air out and crush a soda can flat, please, if it does then i am sold on it, will be my new toy....
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Why bother with vacs SR?? Can-crushin''s why we have foreheads [:D][;)][:D]
35 years of extinguishing smoking stuff and now I'm wondering WHY!
Kummok @ Homer, AK USA
Hi Raye,
Sounds like that unit is a winner! Any chance they might be willing to offer something extra to Forum members if enough of us want to buy the unit? Maybe we could buy 500 bags for the same unti price as getting 2000?
John
Newton MA
SHR,
Do you have any idea how long it's going to take Olds to find an empty <b>soda</b> can![:D][:D][:D]
Kirk
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Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
JJC,
I talk with Doug again and he is going to see what he can do about a bag that can be boiled and yet he can split the case up. He has read this thread through my last posting.
Now in my business many years ago <b>I used a vacuum "Pack" to control urine odor in a old feather couch.</b> I took three 3-stage vacuum motors and stacked them. The primary was hooked to a vac hose. The second one vacuumed the exhaust of the first one and the third vacuumed the exhaust of the second one. In effect I created a one 9-stage vacuum. We place the couch on the outside porch. (I was on the 20th floor of a high rise.)
Well I placed the couch inside two heavy duty modified couch bags. Modified by the fact that there would two vacuum hoses on each end of the couch. One was hook to the vacuum(s). The other had a type of funnel on the end of it.
Once the couch was crushed and the vacuum motors had spin up to their maximum we took another machine that burns an oil via a small gasoline jet engine (not kidding) that creates a smoke down to 7 microns. This type of oil has odor controling properties. We allowed this smoke to enter the couch via the funnel. We continued to do this until we got a good exhaust of smoke out of the last vacuum motor.
Next step we waited 5 days and the urine odor was gone, but you could still smell the smoke. This time the couch was inside a small empty bedroom The last vacuum motor was now vented via a host to the outside. So we repeated the above method but this time we used an O3 machine (ozone) allowing the vacuum motors to pull it though the couch. So that the 03 would not bleach out the color of the fabric do to moisture (RH) in the air we set this whole deal up inside of a drying tent and used a large Desiccant Dehumidifier. The RH was well under 15%!! In the end the cat's urine odor was stopped, the smoke smell was stopped. Plus we did not bleach out the color.
<b>All of this said and done I think can say I have vacuumed/ "sealed" the largest item of any member here~~! Not mention I got real good money saving that couch as it came out of the late 17th century~~!</b>
Over the years I have done many a specialty item. Like the time I hand re-dyed one strain at a time a rug that came out of the Shaw's palace in Iran that the then current owner cat's had peed on. That took me 3 months to restore.
Then there was the time when no one would touch this silk chair as it had newspaper ink on it--silk absorbs and adsords. So for $379.00 I took an 89 cent art gum eraser and just erased the ink off LOL!!!
While war stories are always fun to share I'm real glad I don't offer these types of service any longer. <b>There is only so much a person's nerves can handle when dealing with items such great value...knowing if you screw it up you are an owner.</b>
Find a soda can, Chez, you should wish I was that slow!!!!!
Olds
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I hate to point out the obvious, but maybe if you didn't pass out on the couch and pee all over yourself and the couch, you might not have had this problem to begin with.[:D]
Pete
Hi Raye,
If we want to order a vacuum sealer, should we contact you or go through Doug?
John
Newton MA
I don't sell them. Doug does....
Olds
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Just an update for people on this side of the pond wanting a vacuum sealer.
I got the Tilia FoodSaver 550 from BestDirect TV, there was a delay in processing my order because of an error but it was quickly rectified and eventually everything arrived as ordered.
This thing is GREAT, in a short space of time I have used it extensively, it is so easy to use! The shelf life of fridged and frozen food is increased several fold in most instances and freezer burn is a thing of the past.
The consumables are rather expensive which makes re-using the bags well worth while although the instructions say that the bags/rolls should not be re-used if they have been used for raw meat / fish products.
The bags/rolls appear to be dishwasher safe but after storing then reheating food using the bag as a "boil in the bag" the bags seem to be irreversible stained. Certainly does not lend itself to being re-used in such instances from an appearance point of view.
Also used it for a range of other vacuuming, in particular for keeping items sealed from the effects of sea water on the boat.
Recommended but a bit expensive for the particularly cost conscious!! [:D][:D]
Manxman.
The Foodsavers are great and economical. Most of my friends and family are using the same brand at home. But I don't recommend re-using the bag especially if they are used in raw meat or any food. We can not assume that there will be no contamination, it might spoil the food or worse bacteria may thrive. Injection Molding Indiana (http://www.burco-molding.com/)