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Title: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: monty on September 07, 2010, 12:45:28 PM
so i opened up my 1st bottle of CT from Quarlow today and it hit me right away - i swear i have tried this before.

i couldn't quite put my finger on it...then it dawned on me...KRAFT FRENCH DRESSING! i'm not kidding - they are VERY similar. here are the ingredients:

Ingredients

Carolina Treet
Water, Vinegar, Wheat Flour, Salt, Soybean Oil, Paprika, Garlic, Onion, Xanthan Gum, Spices

Kraft French Dressing
Water, Sugar, Vinegar, Soybean Oil, Salt, Paprika, Mustard, Xanthan Gum, Propylene Glycol Alginate, Potassium Sorbate, Spices, Dried Garlic, Colour, Calcium Disodium EDTA

so the dressing basically shares every ingredient except the flour, and it also has mustard and some other crap chemicals.

i'm not crazy - see for yourself  :D

(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1282/img8384.jpg)

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Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Tenpoint5 on September 07, 2010, 12:51:11 PM
Sounds to me like your planning on adding some flour to the Kraft French and doing a side by side comparison. In other words your going to be the guinea pig and try this to help the CT handicapped folks out!! Keep us posted Monty you little pig you!! :D :D
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: squirtthecat on September 07, 2010, 12:52:07 PM

Yeah, mix in some wheat flour and a ton of salt..

Interesting!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: classicrockgriller on September 07, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
You figure out a clone to CT and you will make a bunch of people HAPPY.

Don't stop with the thought, go for it!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: FLBentRider on September 07, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
I would start with a homemade french dressing recipe and mod from there.
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: NePaSmoKer on September 07, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
Propylene Glycol Alginate?????????????????

AntiFreeze
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: GusRobin on September 07, 2010, 01:33:31 PM
From the "Straight Dope" website:
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What is the "propylene glycol alginate" found in salad dressings?
January 1, 1980
Dear Cecil:

Why is "propylene glycol alginate" found in salad dressings? It sounds suspiciously similar to a famous antifreeze.

— Gary K., Phoenix

Cecil replies:

Propylene glycol alginate is used as a thickener and stabilizer in such products as ice cream and candy as well as salad dressing. Originally derived from brown algae and since mixed with a few other goodies, the chemical has been used for almost a century in one form or another. It's on the government's GRAS (generally recognized as safe) list, but that just means it's been around for a long time and hasn't killed enough people to be conspicuous. As with many additives, little long-term testing has been done. PGA does not accumulate in the body, which is mildly reassuring, but there is some evidence that it inhibits the absorption of whatever nutrients happen to be in the food product it's mixed in with. On the positive side, it also inhibits the absorption of strontium, one of the more toxic components of nuclear fallout ... something to keep in mind if you ever do menu planning the day after the Big One drops.
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Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: BuyLowSellHigh on September 07, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
You figure out a clone to CT and you will make a bunch of people HAPPY.

http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=16298.0

Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 07, 2010, 06:33:29 PM
Propylene Glycol Alginate?????????????????

AntiFreeze
You mean Ethylene Glycol ?? ;)

Miralax (a stool softener  :o ) is almost pure propylene glycol.
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: BuyLowSellHigh on September 07, 2010, 08:17:30 PM
Ethylene glycol = old fashioned antifreeze - that will kill you fairly easily.  It's especially a problem around dog's who can't get enough of it, drink and  ...

Propylene glycol = new fashioned antifreeze, far less toxic.

Propylene glycol alginate is the C3-ester of alginic acid; alginic acid was first extracted from brown algae but is now commonly derived from kelp.  Alginic acid is a polysaccharides (sugar) that readily binds water forming thick gums.  In it's dried form alginic acid is capable of absorbing more than 200-times it's weight in water.  Esterification with propylene glycol (hence propylene glycol alginate) allows custom "tailoring" of the thickening/emulsification properties of alginic acid.  Propylene glycol alginate is a commom food additive used as a an emulsifier/stabilizer and thickener.  In a salad dressing it keeps it from separating and gives that smooth, creamy product.
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Tenpoint5 on September 07, 2010, 08:52:54 PM
Ethylene glycol = old fashioned antifreeze - that will kill you fairly easily.  It's especially a problem around dog's who can't get enough of it, drink and  ...

Propylene glycol = new fashioned antifreeze, far less toxic.

Propylene glycol alginate is the C3-ester of alginic acid; alginic acid was first extracted from brown algae but is now commonly derived from kelp.  Alginic acid is a polysaccharides (sugar) that readily binds water forming thick gums.  In it's dried form alginic acid is capable of absorbing more than 200-times it's weight in water.  Esterification with propylene glycol (hence propylene glycol alginate) allows custom "tailoring" of the thickening/emulsification properties of alginic acid.  Propylene glycol alginate is a commom food additive used as a an emulsifier/stabilizer and thickener.  In a salad dressing it keeps it from separating and gives that smooth, creamy product.

Dang Chemists they take all the fun out of things!! Can't start any nasty rumors with them around. ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: classicrockgriller on September 07, 2010, 08:58:16 PM
Gonna loosen his tie when we meet up for lunch tomorrow! ;D

Should be fun!

Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: BuyLowSellHigh on September 08, 2010, 05:28:12 AM
Dang Chemists they take all the fun out of things!! Can't start any nasty rumors with them around. ;D ;D

Just remember, all chemists are nothing more than frustrated bartenders at heart.  Everyone thinks we're no fun, until it comes time to mix the punch.   ;D

And BTW, I don't need no stinkin' necktie!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: squirtthecat on September 08, 2010, 05:35:20 AM
I might pick up some Annie's Naturals French dressing today and try this out..


BTW, if you Google 'French Dressing', watch out which links you click on.  :o
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: BuyLowSellHigh on September 08, 2010, 05:42:34 AM
 ;D   ...  Nope, not going there,  too easy. 
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caneyscud on September 08, 2010, 05:49:03 AM
Oh gawd - a vision of the orange g-string just flashed before my eyes.  CT String - gotta get it outta my mind, gotta get it outta my mind, gotta.......
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Tenpoint5 on September 08, 2010, 06:41:18 AM
Oh gawd - a vision of the orange g-string just flashed before my eyes.  CT String - gotta get it outta my mind, gotta get it outta my mind, gotta.......

Been trying to do that myself but it wont go away!!!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 08, 2010, 07:13:15 AM
Oh gawd - a vision of the orange g-string just flashed before my eyes.  CT String - gotta get it outta my mind, gotta get it outta my mind, gotta.......

Been trying to do that myself but it wont go away!!!
It's going be hard to forget that one, Chris.
That image is burnt into the retinas of most members  :o
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Tenpoint5 on September 08, 2010, 07:16:18 AM
Oh gawd - a vision of the orange g-string just flashed before my eyes.  CT String - gotta get it outta my mind, gotta get it outta my mind, gotta.......

Been trying to do that myself but it wont go away!!!
It's going be hard to forget that one, Chris.
That image is burnt into the retinas of most members  :o
Carolyn
It was all your fault you started the whole mess during the Iron Chef!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: TestRocket on September 08, 2010, 07:45:46 AM
Thanks a lot everybody!

Now all I can see is a pork butt hanging out of each side of a “CT String”  ???
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Tenpoint5 on September 08, 2010, 08:58:53 AM
Thanks a lot everybody!

Now all I can see is a pork butt hanging out of each side of a “CT String”  ???


Test Rocket that image is A LOT better than the one burned into our eyes!! Trust Me I was THERE!!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 08, 2010, 09:13:04 AM
Oh gawd - a vision of the orange g-string just flashed before my eyes.  CT String - gotta get it outta my mind, gotta get it outta my mind, gotta.......

Been trying to do that myself but it wont go away!!!
It's going be hard to forget that one, Chris.
That image is burnt into the retinas of most members  :o
Carolyn
It was all your fault you started the whole mess during the Iron Chef!
Was it the ICB?  I thought it was the photo contest :)
I'm still shocked that a forum that's 99.9% male picked a picture of you in a g-string over WTS's cool manly pic of him with his guitar in front of a macho bonfire!
 :D :D :D
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Tenpoint5 on September 08, 2010, 09:17:51 AM
Oh gawd - a vision of the orange g-string just flashed before my eyes.  CT String - gotta get it outta my mind, gotta get it outta my mind, gotta.......

Been trying to do that myself but it wont go away!!!
It's going be hard to forget that one, Chris.
That image is burnt into the retinas of most members  :o
Carolyn
It was all your fault you started the whole mess during the Iron Chef!
Was it the ICB?  I thought it was the photo contest :)
I'm still shocked that a forum that's 99.9% male picked a picture of you in a g-string over WTS's cool manly pic of him with his guitar in front of a macho bonfire!
 :D :D :D
Carolyn
The ICB when we was giving you a hard time about about G-strings and something was said in reference to you hunting it will probably be a Blaze orange one. They just gave it to me out of pity figuring I wasn't wrapped real tight!! ;D No comment needed
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 08, 2010, 09:27:18 AM
Wa-wa-wait!
I thought it was highway workers wearing orange g strings that was the inspiration.
 :D :D :D
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: TestRocket on September 08, 2010, 09:28:31 AM
Oh! A had to been there kind of thing! Is see now!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 08, 2010, 09:34:05 AM
Oh! A had to been there kind of thing! Is see now!
It was a lot of fun...many members got new Bradley tee shirts and Nepas had a photo contest for members wearing the shirts.
You probably can find the thread buried out there some place.
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: TestRocket on September 08, 2010, 10:22:34 AM
Thanks...but after reading what’s above I’m a little worried I’ll find something I don’t want to see.   :o ;D
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: FLBentRider on September 08, 2010, 10:25:23 AM
Click if you dare...

http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=11092.0
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: KevinG on September 08, 2010, 10:36:04 AM
DON'T DO IT! DON'T DO IT!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: TestRocket on September 08, 2010, 10:38:05 AM
To late!

Oh my gosh! I threw up a little in my mouth!

My mommy told me to never take a dare. Sorry Mom I learned my lesson!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Tenpoint5 on September 08, 2010, 10:39:55 AM
Wa-wa-wait!
I thought it was highway workers wearing orange g strings that was the inspiration.
 :D :D :D
Carolyn

Nope it was you!! Here's the proof!!

:D :D :D :D :D
Believe me you
you do not want to see me in a construction man G-string, aren't they bright orange?
If the pics were from behind, I was going to see if I could get one of my beef steers in the pic so my butt would look smaller in comparison.
Yes, Nepas, I'm in!
Thanks for putting on a contest.
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 08, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
Wa-wa-wait!
I thought it was highway workers wearing orange g strings that was the inspiration.
 :D :D :D
Carolyn

Nope it was you!! Here's the proof!!

:D :D :D :D :D
Believe me you
you do not want to see me in a construction man G-string, aren't they bright orange?
If the pics were from behind, I was going to see if I could get one of my beef steers in the pic so my butt would look smaller in comparison.
Yes, Nepas, I'm in!
Thanks for putting on a contest.
Carolyn
:o :o :o
oh, no! Where on earth did you find that!
I guess I can't run for president now  :'(
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: GusRobin on September 08, 2010, 01:22:45 PM
Quote
I guess I can't run for president now  :'(
Carolyn

I'd still vote for ya.
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: BuyLowSellHigh on September 08, 2010, 02:18:08 PM
Quote
I guess I can't run for president now  :'(
Carolyn

I'd still vote for ya.

OMG .. TMI!  As a relative newcomer, I am glad I wasn't there and wished I hadn't gone back there to look.  TestRocket's Mama was right.
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 08, 2010, 02:37:16 PM
Quote
I guess I can't run for president now  :'(
Carolyn

I'd still vote for ya.

OMG .. TMI!  As a relative newcomer, I am glad I wasn't there and wished I hadn't gone back there to look.  TestRocket's Mama was right.
Guess this thread about an orange sauce got hijacked by an orange g-string ;)
But mind you...I may have mentioned it first but Chris is the one that actually OWNS an orange g-string  :D :D :D
I appreciate your vote Gus!
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: TestRocket on September 08, 2010, 03:47:52 PM
Well let me stick up for 10.5 just a little bit here. With two daughters now in their early 20’s I’ve attempted to fold some weird things that came out of the drier over the years.

But I never tried any of them on!  ???  :D

I said a "little bit"  ;D
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: monty on September 08, 2010, 06:33:48 PM
what in tarnation?!?! :o

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Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: SouthernSmoked on September 08, 2010, 06:56:33 PM
What the heck Monty, looks like you got caught with your pants down. "What in tarnation?" Get some clothes on young man.
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: classicrockgriller on September 08, 2010, 08:29:09 PM
Makes me want to STOP using CT. ;D
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caneyscud on September 09, 2010, 06:31:23 AM
I would NOT send that to the CT factory!  They'd shut the supply down for sure!
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Caribou on September 09, 2010, 07:36:32 AM
what in tarnation?!?! :o

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Great pic Monty!!
I hit "quote" just so we could enjoy it all over again  ;)
I think Chris could be the new spokesman for CT!
Carolyn
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: KevinG on September 09, 2010, 08:09:09 AM
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: NePaSmoKer on September 09, 2010, 04:53:35 PM
Uhhhhh  :D  :D
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: squirtthecat on September 09, 2010, 05:38:39 PM

Steering this back on topic...  Briefly.

I tried to duplicate this.  Picked up a bottle of Kraft Creamy French.   Mixed in some pepper, apple cider vinegar, wheat flour and salt.  Nothing.  Tasted like French Dressing.   Mixed in some more garlic powder.  Nothing.  More AC vinegar.  Nothing.

Tasted like tangy, salty French dressing w/ a hit of pepper, that stuck to the insides of my mouth.

Looking at the bottle again as I put it back in the fridge (after dumping the rest out and loading the dishwasher), 'our' version of Kraft French dressing has tomato puree in it.   That is what I tasted, the tomato-ish element..


Hmm..    This might need more research.   (meanwhile, I'm going to order another 3 gallons of CT tomorrow!)
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Chili Head on September 09, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
Is CT really that good? Is it vinegar based?   I see alot of people using it for different meats..It must be if ya'll are using it  ;D
I guess I'm going to have to splurge on a bottle and see for myself.. ;)
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Quarlow on September 10, 2010, 05:04:39 PM
Well I don't know about anyone else but I love the stuff. In fact I will be getting a whole case next time I order.
Squirt, I gave a bottle of it to my boss and he tried it the other day. The first thing he asked me was "is there curry in it". Of course I don't know but he swore it tasted like it had curry in it. So that might help you with your experiments.
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: leftcoast smoker on September 10, 2010, 10:41:20 PM
Well I don't know about anyone else but I love the stuff. In fact I will be getting a whole case next time I order.
Squirt, I gave a bottle of it to my boss and he tried it the other day. The first thing he asked me was "is there curry in it". Of course I don't know but he swore it tasted like it had curry in it. So that might help you with your experiments.

Hey Q, I think I told ya I call it my carolina Crack, 1 taste and I was hooked,
I don't know about curry in it I don't taste it,
 you sure you didn't give him some of that Surreylina Treat by accident LOL
LCS
Title: Re: The Secret of Carolina Treet
Post by: Quarlow on September 11, 2010, 07:51:18 AM
 :D :D :D Yeah I don't get curry from it either. But I don't have the most discerning tastebuds.