What do you thinks is the better way to go add a nother 500 watt element or the 900 watt single ? thanks
I would go with the 900w....
The answer is going to depend on who did what mod. I did the additional element 2 years ago, and never has a problem. The installation is very easy, so I would have to say go with the second element.
Just note; that it is not recommended to do this mod without some type of temperature controller, such as a PID or DigiQ II.
Who has the 900w
Grainger also sell it for $48 pt # 2xdw1. I have a PID to control it with i will be asking for help on how to set it up after I install another element or just the 900w thanks
Quote from: Habanero Smoker on July 08, 2011, 01:18:04 PM
The answer is going to depend on who did what mod. I did the additional element 2 years ago, and never has a problem. The installation is very easy, so I would have to say go with the second element.
Just note; that it is not recommended to do this mod without some type of temperature controller, such as a PID or DigiQ II.
Why?
Without an PID, DigiQ II or other type of temperature controller the cabinet temperature could over heat and cause a fire. You can add the additional sensor and in-line fuse as TestRocket installed, but that may not be a fail safe setup. In addition to his extra safety precautions, TestRocket also uses a PID with his setup.
Quote from: Habanero Smoker on July 12, 2011, 01:32:43 AM
Without an PID, DigiQ II or other type of temperature controller the cabinet temperature could over heat and cause a fire. You can add the additional sensor and in-line fuse as TestRocket installed, but that may not be a fail safe setup. In addition to his extra safety precautions, TestRocket also uses a PID with his setup.
That makes sense.
I didn't think about it catching on fire. (http://mysite.verizon.net/vze11gpul/Smilies/dohreagan.gif)
i do and have had it for many years and it has not failed me yet
Well i Installed a 900 watt element and just did the auto tune I got P-37 , I - 329 , D- 82 , does that sound about right ? It seems to be OK , I am Going to do a pork butt this weekend I will let you all know how it comes out Thanks for everyones Help
sounds right on settings
Quote from: cjj on July 12, 2011, 04:42:04 PM
Well i Installed a 900 watt element and just did the auto tune I got P-37 , I - 329 , D- 82 , does that sound about right ? It seems to be OK , I am Going to do a pork butt this weekend I will let you all know how it comes out Thanks for everyones Help
You have any pictures of the Mod so we might help find any potential problems/not trying to scrutinize your work just want to be safe :)
I have some pics but I can't figure out how to post them ?
I use photobucket .com and it is easy to upload photos to it.Then after upload you just copy and paste the image code into your post.
THANKS FOR THE HELP HERE ARE SOME PICS OF MY MOD . I DID CHANGE THE WIRE TO # 12 HEAT RESISENT WIRE
(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_0075.jpg)
(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_00742.jpg)(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_0078.jpg)
Cjj nice job! But how come you got the element with the connections on the same side? The link I sent you was for the one with electrical connections on each side? Did you want that design? Or they send the wrong one?
THAT IS THE GRAINGER ELEMENT i DID NOT GET THAT LINK WOULD HVE BEEN A LITTLE EASER TO INSALL IT WAS NOT THAT HARD TO INSTALL i JUST PULLED OFF THE BACK AND REPLACED THE WIRE WITH HEAVY GAUGE WIRE GOING TO DO A PORK BUTT THIS WEEKEND I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT THANKS AGAIN
Quote from: cjj on July 13, 2011, 02:35:43 PM
THAT IS THE GRAINGER ELEMENT i DID NOT GET THAT LINK WOULD HVE BEEN A LITTLE EASER TO INSALL IT WAS NOT THAT HARD TO INSTALL i JUST PULLED OFF THE BACK AND REPLACED THE WIRE WITH HEAVY GAUGE WIRE GOING TO DO A PORK BUTT THIS WEEKEND I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT THANKS AGAIN
There are four different 900w finned elements available. Two are 120v and two are 240v. And you have the choice of one connection on each side or both connections on one side. For others who attempt this mod it is easier to use the one with connections on each side of the element. The one cjj installed will work but will be more difficult to install due to the connectors are on one side. The elements are the same in price.... just a different design.
Sorry cjj I thought I gave you the link for the right element when I sent you the PM
Quote from: muebe on July 13, 2011, 03:01:55 PMThere are four different 900w finned elements available. Two are 120v and two are 240v. And you have the choice of one connection on each side or both connections on one side. For others who attempt this mod it is easier to use the one with connections on each side of the element. The one cjj installed will work but will be more difficult to install due to the connectors are on one side. The elements are the same in price.... just a different design
Is this the one you are talking about? http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2xef3&op=search&Ntt=2xef3&N=0&sst=subset (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2xef3&op=search&Ntt=2xef3&N=0&sst=subset)
Quote from: ffrcoupe on July 14, 2011, 03:50:04 AM
Quote from: muebe on July 13, 2011, 03:01:55 PMThere are four different 900w finned elements available. Two are 120v and two are 240v. And you have the choice of one connection on each side or both connections on one side. For others who attempt this mod it is easier to use the one with connections on each side of the element. The one cjj installed will work but will be more difficult to install due to the connectors are on one side. The elements are the same in price.... just a different design
Is this the one you are talking about? http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2xef3&op=search&Ntt=2xef3&N=0&sst=subset (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2xef3&op=search&Ntt=2xef3&N=0&sst=subset)
I have the 2XEF3 model (connections on each side) that the link points to in a box right now waiting installation. What did you use to mount the 900 watt element cjj? Muebe used brackets for drapes. Looking at the photo cjj it looks like you have long bolts acting as mounting posts!?
Please explain. Thanks
Quote from: ffrcoupe on July 14, 2011, 03:50:04 AM
Quote from: muebe on July 13, 2011, 03:01:55 PMThere are four different 900w finned elements available. Two are 120v and two are 240v. And you have the choice of one connection on each side or both connections on one side. For others who attempt this mod it is easier to use the one with connections on each side of the element. The one cjj installed will work but will be more difficult to install due to the connectors are on one side. The elements are the same in price.... just a different design
Is this the one you are talking about? http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2xef3&op=search&Ntt=2xef3&N=0&sst=subset (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=2xef3&op=search&Ntt=2xef3&N=0&sst=subset)
Yes that is the one...
I CUT A PIECE OF ALUMIUN TO FIT THE BOLT PATTERN OF THE PORCLIN I PUT THAT BETWEEN THE 2 PIECES OF PORCILIN AND THEN MOUNTED IT TO THE ELEMENT WITH THE BOLT YOU SEE
Quote from: cjj on July 14, 2011, 12:23:42 PM
I CUT A PIECE OF ALUMIUN TO FIT THE BOLT PATTERN OF THE PORCLIN I PUT THAT BETWEEN THE 2 PIECES OF PORCILIN AND THEN MOUNTED IT TO THE ELEMENT WITH THE BOLT YOU SEE
Great idea.
Is it necessary to have a switch, on the second element. It seems to me that if you are using a pid, which you recommend with a second element. If you switch the second element off than your paramaters on the pid or not set correctly.
Quote from: macsfire on August 08, 2011, 08:09:58 AM
Is it necessary to have a switch, on the second element.
No. I have dual elemnts on my OBS and no switch for the second one. Everything is controlled by the PID.
Thank's TedEbear. I think that's the way I am going to hook up my 2nd element. Just waiting for part's. How long have you been using your 2 element's.
Quote from: macsfire on August 08, 2011, 08:09:58 AM
Is it necessary to have a switch, on the second element. It seems to me that if you are using a pid, which you recommend with a second element. If you switch the second element off than your paramaters on the pid or not set correctly.
It is not necessary, but it comes in handy. For example, one member's PID failed, so it was just a matter of flipping the switch to turn off the second element and using the smoker as origianally designed.
I've been using my dual element hookup for more then 2 years. I came up with the idea of adding the switch, because I keep my smoker outside 24 seven. Each time I wanted to use a temperature control device, I would have to hook it up. There are several things I smoke/cook that I don't need my temperature control device. During those smokes, I just turn off the second element, and I don't have to hook up the controller.
Thank's Habanero those are some good points.
Can you add a 900watt element to a BDS without adding a PID or is the PID still necessary. I am not really interested in adding a PID. (atleast not yet)
Quote from: macsfire on August 08, 2011, 11:58:47 AM
Thank's TedEbear. I think that's the way I am going to hook up my 2nd element. Just waiting for part's. How long have you been using your 2 element's.
I added the second element about 6 months ago. It has been running fine other than one element going out that was part of the rash of bad elements that many owners had problems with.
I have a DBS 4 rack and I will be putting in a second element when I get the part's. I think I would like to add a switch but the only place to put the switch that I can see is on the back. I had thought about the 900 watt element, and if I keep burning out elements this will be the way I go.
Quote from: cjj on July 13, 2011, 12:53:57 PM
THANKS FOR THE HELP HERE ARE SOME PICS OF MY MOD . I DID CHANGE THE WIRE TO # 12 HEAT RESISENT WIRE
(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_0075.jpg)
(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_00742.jpg)(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_0078.jpg)
Looks inmpressive, what are the other mods on the left hand side? I have the Digital 6Rack myself and think my heating element went out. I am calling Bradley tomorrow to hopefully get it taken care of, but if this is going to be an ongoing problem I would like a more secure solution.
Thanks
Allen
What you see on the inside of the smoker is were i ran new wire to hook up the new element If you use the 2XEF3 model (connections on each side) you will not have to run new wire If you are looking at the pic of the smoker from the outside , that is a PID controller. This past weekend I added a 3 1/2in fan mod to the very top left of the smoker I made some jerky all 3 selves were done in 4 hrs I will try to post some pic later thanks Chet
here some pics of my fan mod(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_00871-1.jpg)
(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_0085.jpg)
(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/chet5713/SAM_0086.jpg)
Quote from: Raymillsus on August 08, 2011, 10:11:56 PM
Can you add a 900watt element to a BDS without adding a PID or is the PID still necessary. I am not really interested in adding a PID. (atleast not yet)
Raymillsus;
It is not advisable. The electronics in the DBS where designed to handle around 650 watts
Quote from: macsfire on August 09, 2011, 02:16:19 PM
I have a DBS 4 rack and I will be putting in a second element when I get the part's. I think I would like to add a switch but the only place to put the switch that I can see is on the back. I had thought about the 900 watt element, and if I keep burning out elements this will be the way I go.
Macsfire;
Those who have added the switch to the DBS have installed it on the back panel. Fortunately I have not purchased any of the faulty elements. They should be out of every one's inventory by now. Though there could still be a few in smokers sitting on some one's display.
Thank's Habanero that is where I will put it. Unfortunately the ceramic insulator broke, when I was replacing the element that had burned out and nobody has any of them, they are on back order. Hope to get one late next week. we are running out of smoked meat.
Looking in doing this mod in my OBS, I was wondering in the picture on page 2 of the 900 watts, what is the two white blocks on each side made out of? Did you change all the wiring from the power source to the element with a higher gauge?
they are the ceramic mounting blocks that come stock with the smoker. the high temp wire in the smoker will work fine.
Just curious to see how other people mounted their 900 watts element. I'm leading towards installing the 900 watts instead of a second element.
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http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=36408.0 this is why I replaced the stock wire with oven wire. Pics at bottom of post.
Okay upgrading the wires it is :)
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Quote from: ghosttown on July 08, 2015, 06:26:45 PM
Okay upgrading the wires it is :), anybody know where I can buy the 900 watts element that ships to Canada?
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Would also be interested as to where a Canuck can source these parts :). Dual probe PID will be coming first but always need to have a future mod on the horizon...
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What is the benefits of having a dual probe pid?
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All the information here about adding a second element or a 900 is great. I think it is what you feel Comfortable with. The Granger site that had to 900 W element also had a 1100 watt element that is the same size as the 900. I figured that it was only 100 W more that 2 500 W so I decided to try it. I also upgraded the wire to 14 gauge oven wire. The recovery time is amazing.
If you search the forum about Thanksgiving time last year you will understand my upgrade. I also added a heat shield that was recommend by one of the forum members... Salmonsmoker
This is the final product.
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w539/JohnM70/m_DSC_1248_zpswm6kr8lp.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/JohnM70/media/m_DSC_1248_zpswm6kr8lp.jpg.html)
Looks pretty good, I am trying to find a post about adding heat shield but I can't seem to find it. Did you use a regular sheer metal and just used screw taps into the existing metal there? Did you also end up installing the fan?
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Quote from: ghosttown on July 13, 2015, 03:39:23 PM
Looks pretty good, I am trying to find a post about adding heat shield but I can't seem to find it. Did you use a regular sheer metal and just used screw taps into the existing metal there? Did you also end up installing the fan?
Try these
http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=31078.msg413832#msg413832
http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=31078.msg413226#msg413226
No I did not install a fan. Right now I am not sure if I will. Maybe this winter when I get bored.
I found a piece of aluminum and cut it to the size I needed. It is a little thicker than the sides of the oven and it is about 1/16" thick. I mounted it with stand offs. I also used stainless steal nuts, washers and, bolts.
John
K will do the same, woukd you know the difference between a single vs a dual PID?
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ghosttown, the difference is 1 or 2 probes, 1 for cabinet temp and one for the meat
O that it was used for something else, rather use my wireless maverick. It's not easy finding a supplier in Canada for the 900 Watt element. All the US don't want to ship to Canada.
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Quote from: ghosttown on July 14, 2015, 04:47:54 PM
O that it was used for something else, rather use my wireless maverick. It's not easy finding a supplier in Canada for the 900 Watt element. All the US don't want to ship to Canada.
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Ghost, search the 700 watt and 900 watt mod posts. I remember that some of the Canadian forum members have come up with a couple of Canadian sources for those finned heating elements. Or post a request for help from the Canadian folks. Members here are really helpful.