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Bradley Smokers => The NEW Bradley Original Smoker (BS611) => Topic started by: Boo Boudreaux on May 24, 2012, 07:38:45 pm

Title: Fan mod question
Post by: Boo Boudreaux on May 24, 2012, 07:38:45 pm
I noticed a number of posts regarding fan mods and element upgrades but has anyone done the fan mod without upgrading the  500w heating element?  If so how does it effect the performance of the OBS? Will the fan cause issues with the Bradley's recovery time or with the smoke generator?

My goal is to have an even heat which will eliminate having to rotate the racks as much while smoking to prevent burnt or dark spots on the sausage or other similar products.
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: NePaSmoKer on May 24, 2012, 07:43:07 pm
I have a fan in my 6 rack with out a double element. Works great and i do many lbs of sausage.

If your getting dark spots it normally a problem called black rain. IE to much moisture in the smoker.
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Toker on May 24, 2012, 07:44:10 pm
No problem at all. It will only even your temp inside the tower.
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 24, 2012, 07:50:22 pm
I will give you my 2 cents. I have found that at least my 2 in. Fan doesn't even out my temps as much as I thought it would or wanted to. Again thats my experience in my Bradley. I do have dual 500s though. Others here have had more success with bigger fan blades evening out their temps throughout the tower.
I know Muebe has I believe a 5 in amd
Devo also has a big blade in his. The are both mounted on the sides of the tower.


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Kahunas on May 25, 2012, 05:49:48 am
I will give you my 2 cents. I have found that at least my 2 in. Fan doesn't even out my temps as much as I thought it would or wanted to. Again thats my experience in my Bradley. I do have dual 500s though. Others here have had more success with bigger fan blades evening out their temps throughout the tower.
I know Muebe has I believe a 5 in amd
Devo also has a big blade in his. The are both mounted on the sides of the tower.


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I feel the same way about my fan mod. It helped a lot but did not cure it completely. I have a 900w element in mine and the bottom racks get done before the top if I don't rotate. Granted it is a lot better than before the mod and I can get away with one rotation usually but I had hoped for better performance. I even put a shroud around the fan like some have suggested. That did seem to help a little.
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 25, 2012, 06:26:21 am
I will give you my 2 cents. I have found that at least my 2 in. Fan doesn't even out my temps as much as I thought it would or wanted to. Again thats my experience in my Bradley. I do have dual 500s though. Others here have had more success with bigger fan blades evening out their temps throughout the tower.
I know Muebe has I believe a 5 in amd
Devo also has a big blade in his. The are both mounted on the sides of the tower.


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I feel the same way about my fan mod. It helped a lot but did not cure it completely. I have a 900w element in mine and the bottom racks get done before the top if I don't rotate. Granted it is a lot better than before the mod and I can get away with one rotation usually but I had hoped for better performance. I even put a shroud around the fan like some have suggested. That did seem to help a little.
Do you have a pic of the fan with shroud?


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: beefmann on May 25, 2012, 07:19:34 am
I run a blower in my tower, and yes it  does even out box temps,,,  here is a link to what i   did. As far as i  know.. I  am the  only one running this exact mod as it stands, Others  have added the  900 watt element just not like mine

http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=17329.msg209917#msg209917
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: TedEbear on May 25, 2012, 09:23:18 am
Do you have a pic of the fan with shroud?

There are some pics of one on page 3 of this thread:  Circulation Fan (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?186-Fan)
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Kahunas on May 25, 2012, 09:31:37 am
Do you have a pic of the fan with shroud?

There are some pics of one on page 3 of this thread:  Circulation Fan (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?186-Fan)
Mine looks pretty close to that.
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Tenpoint5 on May 25, 2012, 10:14:07 am
Like Nepas mentioned the black spots are "Black Rain". This is caused by having the vent closed down too much. Thus the moisture builds up in the vent area and absorbs and loosens the smoke build up in the vent. Once the concentration gets too heavy it "Rains" back down on your meat. It will give you the black spots and a bitter creosote taste to your meat wherever you see the spots. Open your vent more and let that moisture out and your black spotting will go away. Almost guarantee it!!
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Habanero Smoker on May 25, 2012, 01:02:02 pm
Mike;

Here is how Mike (Mr. Walleye) did his.

Fan Shield (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?186-Fan&p=848#post848)
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Boo Boudreaux on May 25, 2012, 01:29:03 pm
Thanks for all the feed back, looks like I will need to get a fan before I make more sausage.  Also I had the vent open most of the time but I will leave it fully open next time for the entire cook/smoke time.

Again thanks for all the feed back I knew you guys would get me lined out.

Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 25, 2012, 02:04:13 pm
Mike;

Here is how Mike (Mr. Walleye) did his.

Fan Shield (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?186-Fan&p=848#post848)
Got it. Thanks


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: TedEbear on May 25, 2012, 04:36:55 pm
Here is how Mike (Mr. Walleye) did his.

Wow, I wish I would have posted that.  Wait...I already did, 3 posts prior.   ::)

Got it. Thanks

You're very welcome.
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: viper125 on May 25, 2012, 05:44:06 pm
Wow some times no one answers other times fight to do it. LOL Just kidding. I wasn't pleased with mine. Checked with digital and got different readings. But the knock wurst was the first time i hung meat since doing the fan mod. And I do have 2 500 w mod. I was surprised to see the meat was with in 1-2 degrees the full length. Which is great. That tells me it averaged out. With the fan continually moving air. I wouldn't think one area would remain the same. And the digital don't change as quick as needed for that kind of watching. So I have changed my mind. No matter what my digital say, if I pull it and it's that close what else can I ask for?
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 25, 2012, 06:47:49 pm
Here is how Mike (Mr. Walleye) did his.

Wow, I wish I would have posted that.  Wait...I already did, 3 posts prior.   ::)

Got it. Thanks

You're very welcome.
Unless I'm missing something, the links posted above named Circulation Fan and Fan Shield are totally different. I was inquiring on the fan shroud. The link posted named fan shield is what i wanted to see. The link named circulation fan only shows or all i see is the installation of a fan which i already have. Again, maybe cause I'm looking on my phone, maybe I missed something with the small print. Just in case feelings were hurt. :) ::)


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: JZ on May 25, 2012, 08:31:34 pm
I wasn't happy with the results of one 2" fan either. So installed a second one and the performance is better - still not perfect but good enough. I have done a batch of sausage and a batch of sticks after the second fan install, without rotating and found the bottom ends of some were done a little more than others but were still good. When I do nuts I will still rotate once during the 2 hours.

Hope this helps.
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 25, 2012, 08:43:42 pm
I wasn't happy with the results of one 2" fan either. So installed a second one and the performance is better - still not perfect but good enough. I have done a batch of sausage and a batch of sticks after the second fan install, without rotating and found the bottom ends of some were done a little more than others but were still good. When I do nuts I will still rotate once during the 2 hours.

Hope this helps.
Where did you put the second one? :)


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: muebe on May 25, 2012, 09:11:27 pm
5 inches Baby! ;)

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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: JZ on May 25, 2012, 09:24:46 pm
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Where did you put the second one?

I pulled out the first one that was located in the middle of the smoker and put in 2 at the same level, about 1/4 of the way in from each side, I think, it was a while ago. If you or Boo want a pic I will take one and post it.

I am absolutely positive that the 5" mod that Muebe did would move a whole crap load more air than my 2 - 2" fans. The pro is that I doubt you would ever have to rotate racks and the con is that you would have to give up one rack, or maybe 2 if you added the extra racks to go from 4 to 8 like I did.

I guess it all comes down to priorities. ;D
Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Habanero Smoker on May 26, 2012, 01:57:39 am
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Unless I'm missing something, the links posted above named Circulation Fan and Fan Shield are totally different. I was inquiring on the fan shroud. The link posted named fan shield is what i wanted to see. The link named circulation fan only shows or all i see is the installation of a fan which i already have. Again, maybe cause I'm looking on my phone, maybe I missed something with the small print. Just in case feelings were hurt. :) ::)


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Mike;

The link from TedE, is the same thread, but his takes you to the beginning of a tread that is three pages long. I posted a link to take you directly to where the instructions of installing the shield, instead of having to scroll through several pages.

Wow some times no one answers other times fight to do it. LOL Just kidding. I wasn't pleased with mine. .........

I don't tend to fight to beat anyone to a post; my goal is to make sure members get an answer. Though I do have a tendency to  often overlook and not read all or some posts prior to answering. Which I have to admit, I did so in this case. In the end it worked out for the best, and anyway my post was more direct to the answer.  ;D

Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 26, 2012, 05:41:56 am
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Unless I'm missing something, the links posted above named Circulation Fan and Fan Shield are totally different. I was inquiring on the fan shroud. The link posted named fan shield is what i wanted to see. The link named circulation fan only shows or all i see is the installation of a fan which i already have. Again, maybe cause I'm looking on my phone, maybe I missed something with the small print. Just in case feelings were hurt. :) ::)


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Mike;

The link from TedE, is the same thread, but his takes you to the beginning of a tread that is three pages long. I posted a link to take you directly to where the instructions of installing the shield, instead of having to scroll through several pages.

Wow some times no one answers other times fight to do it. LOL Just kidding. I wasn't pleased with mine. .........

I don't tend to fight to beat anyone to a post; my goal is to make sure members get an answer. Though I do have a tendency to  often overlook and not read all or some posts prior to answering. Which I have to admit, I did so in this case. In the end it worked out for the best, and anyway my post was more direct to the answer.  ;D
I love using tapatalk just for the convenience. I will admit that when a link takes me to somewhere else like the recipe site, it is a Lil awkward to view on the phone trying to zoom in on stuff.
I did see where it was mentioned on the post that it was on page 3 of the thread but I couldn't get to it ???


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: Boo Boudreaux on May 26, 2012, 07:04:48 am
One more question, I found a fan on the smoke and stuff web site an some on drill spot. Which fan or fan are recommended?
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 26, 2012, 07:53:42 am
One more question, I found a fan on the smoke and stuff web site an some on drill spot. Which fan or fan are recommended?
I have the one from smokeandstuff. It brings everything necessary to mount. Fairly simple. Even has a template. I just don't believe IMHO that a 2 inch fan makes enough of a difference to justify the price. Again, that's my opinion.


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: viper125 on May 27, 2012, 01:45:24 pm
Mike I said i was joking. But I usually get all the help I need. Some times I do get in a bit of a rush though. LOl
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 27, 2012, 02:41:36 pm
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Where did you put the second one?

I pulled out the first one that was located in the middle of the smoker and put in 2 at the same level, about 1/4 of the way in from each side, I think, it was a while ago. If you or Boo want a pic I will take one and post it.

I am absolutely positive that the 5" mod that Muebe did would move a whole crap load more air than my 2 - 2" fans. The pro is that I doubt you would ever have to rotate racks and the con is that you would have to give up one rack, or maybe 2 if you added the extra racks to go from 4 to 8 like I did.

I guess it all comes down to priorities. ;D
Dam!! Don't know how I missed this. If us don't mind, I would love to see a pic of the twin 2" fans. :)


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Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 27, 2012, 02:44:13 pm
Mike I said i was joking. But I usually get all the help I need. Some times I do get in a bit of a rush though. LOl
Me too 8)


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: devo on May 27, 2012, 02:47:19 pm
One more question, I found a fan on the smoke and stuff web site an some on drill spot. Which fan or fan are recommended?
I have the one from smokeandstuff. It brings everything necessary to mount. Fairly simple. Even has a template. I just don't believe IMHO that a 2 inch fan makes enough of a difference to justify the price. Again, that's my opinion.


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You got that right Mike....hence my other fan mods. You can do better than the one from smokeandstuff even if your a total bonehead about this stuff.
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 27, 2012, 02:51:41 pm
One more question, I found a fan on the smoke and stuff web site an some on drill spot. Which fan or fan are recommended?
I have the one from smokeandstuff. It brings everything necessary to mount. Fairly simple. Even has a template. I just don't believe IMHO that a 2 inch fan makes enough of a difference to justify the price. Again, that's my opinion.


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You got that right Mike....hence my other fan mods. You can do better than the one from smokeandstuff even if your a total bonehead about this stuff.
:)


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: devo on May 27, 2012, 02:57:00 pm
Kirby has a really nice system on one of his smokers. Takes the air and recycles it from top to bottom, true convection if you ask me.
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 27, 2012, 04:33:41 pm
Kirby has a really nice system on one of his smokers. Takes the air and recycles it from top to bottom, true convection if you ask me.
Would like to see a pic of that.


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Title: Re: Fan mod question
Post by: devo on May 27, 2012, 04:37:07 pm
Its someplace on here, in one of his many summer sausage posts i think. You gots lots of time Mike...do a search and find it  ;D
Title: Fan mod question
Post by: mikecorn.1 on May 27, 2012, 04:50:13 pm
Maybe I'll just pm him and wait till he replies ;D ::)


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