Here is my finished PID. Well sort of, I'm still waiting for my SSR to replace a faulty one. I can't say enough about Auber Instrument's customer service. Great people! As I had said before I was unable to locate a suitable project box so I went to my favourite hardware store and start snoopin around to see what I could find. I finally decided on a 4" 45 degree PVC elbow. I thought you guys might be interested in the finished product.
Here's the parts list:
Auber Instruments
1/16 DIN PID (for SSR Output) Model SYL-2352
25A SSR Model RS1A40D25
Omega
Round face Mini Panel Jack Model RMJ-K-R
T/C Assembly W/Trans Joint Model TJ96-CASS-316U-3-SB-SMPW-M
The Source by Circuit City (like Radio Shack in USA)
Panel Mount Fuse Holder & 8 AMP Fuse
Heat Sink Compound
Terminal Strip
Misc. Hardware
4" PVC 45 Degree Elbow
2 – 4" PVC End Caps
Heat Sink From a CPU Motherboard
Misc. Wire, Connectors, Screws, Lead Weights, Etc.
Below photo shows the interior view with the 2 - 1.5 lb lead bars I used to make sure the base was well weighted as not to fall over. You can also see the cut out for the SSR/heat sink at the rear and the TC panel jack & panel mount fuse holder on the left side.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mmike/Fishing%20Photos/PID1.jpg)
Below photo shows how I created the SSR/heat sink and mount. Basically what I did was cut down the heat sink to the appropriate size. Next I designed an aluminium bracket to go in-between the SSR and the heat sink. I applied the heat sink compound to both sides of the bracket and bolted it together.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mmike/Fishing%20Photos/PID2.jpg)
Below photo shows as interior view once everything is mounted just prior to attaching the top cap with the Auber PID mounted in it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mmike/Fishing%20Photos/PID3.jpg)
Below photo shows the finished PID.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mmike/Fishing%20Photos/PID4.jpg)
Below photo shows the rear view of the finished PID. Note the direction of the cooling fins of the heat sink. Something my computer guru guy who supplied me with the heat sink said was if you are installing a heat sink with out a fan on it make sure it is mounted in such a fashion that the cooling fins are vertical. By doing it this way the heat sink cools itself better because heat naturally rises which creates air flow.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mmike/Fishing%20Photos/PID5.jpg)
Below photo shows the bracket I made for the Omega TC. I more or less copied the design of the ET73 bracket. It started as a piece of stainless steel trim for a newer GMC truck (another buddy runs a salvage yard). I trimmed a piece to 4" by 5/8". Next I trimmed the ends so they were 3/8" wide for about 1/2". This is to allow the bracket to not only fit the standard racks but also the jerky racks. The Omega TC is 3/16" but the hole needs to be 7/32" because the TC shaft will pass through on an angle.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mmike/Fishing%20Photos/TCBracket1.jpg)
Below photo shows the bracket attached to a jerky rack.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/mmike/Fishing%20Photos/TCBracket2.jpg)
Mike
Mr. Walleye, Very nifty idea for an enclosure! Clever Guy! ;)
Guess we'll have to modify the National Electric Code to accommodate this invention... :o
Very nice. That heat sink looks like it can take a kilowatt. :D
Arcs_n_Sparks
Well done Mr Walleye, nice design and a very neat job, i'm still waiting to get a bit of time to sort out a PID, hope it turns out as good as yours, i'll be well pleased ;)
Thanks Guys!
It wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for everybody's excellent help and intructions both here and on Olds recipe site.
Mike
WOW
Thats pretty high tech looking Mr Walleye. Great job.
nepas
Thanks NePas
When you can't get what you want you have to get creative and make it!
Mike
Mike
Did you do a fan install yet?
I been wanting to but i am looking at a 4cfm from bbq guru, seams like it might do the same thing except its not ccw like in the forum posts. Was thinking on putting it on the opposite side of the sg and just above the v-tray. Any suggestions.
The more i look at your pid the more i like it. I would get my air brush out and camo that puppy if i made one like that. Hmmm maybe for my cookshack?
nepas
Rick
Hey NePaS... Hmmmm... Air Brush! Just when I thought I was done! ::)
Awww He11, your never done! ;D
I'll have to take a photo of the PID once it's in it's new home. I added some shelving in my garage installation beside the DBS and I plan to have it on one of them. The overall height is only 8 inches so it won't take up much space.
I did do the circulation fan mod. I put it in the traditional location just above the V tray in the centre at the back. I can't help but think the most balanced location for the circulation fan is at this location. I would think if you had it to one side it would tend to push or pull, depending on rotation, heat and smoke to one side of the box because the box is wider than it is deep. I could be wrong but that's just my thoughts.
Keep us posted if you move ahead with doing it.
I absolutely love tinkering with things. Good enough never is! ;D
Mike
Mr Walleye,
Very nice and what a innovative idea for the enclosure, makes it a one of a kind!!! ;)
Mark
pids... temp switches... puck presses... fans... recipes and chat site... quite a bunch here at the bradley smoker forums...
you gotta eat...
owrstrich
Mr. Walleye
If you will copy this over to http://www.susanminor.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2 open forum, I will add it to the Bradley Accessories http://www.susanminor.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27
Nice job!
Thanks for the compliment Olds.
This would not have been possible with out the helpful people hear and at your recipe site. I only hope I can help out half as much. I posted it and it appears to be there.
Mike
Quote from: Mr Walleye on February 04, 2007, 12:29:38 PM
Thanks for the compliment Olds.
This would not have been possible with out the helpful people hear and at your recipe site. I only hope I can help out half as much. I posted it and it appears to be there.
Mike
Very nice job Mike. Did you shop online for the parts? I have got to take the time and get one put together soon for my smaller smokers. Any info on buying the parts would be great. Thanks. Pat
Hi Iceman
I did shop online for most of it, except for the misc. stuff. Because I don't have a PayPal account I just sent Auber Instruments an email with what I wanted and he setup an Invoice with PayPal that doesn't require an account. Once I paid for it, he shipped it. Great service! As far as Omega goes I just ordered it online via credit card. Omega has an office here in Canada so I ordered it from their site to stay away from the brokers fees coming across the border. Everything else is easily available at electronic of hardware stores. I think the jury is still out if you really need the heat sink but hey... it looks impresive! A heat sink is easily salvagable from a tired computor board.
Really not hard to put together, just takes a little time playing with things to get them to fit properly.
Mike
PS If you want Suyi's (Auber Instruments) email address let me know and I'll sent it to you.
That looks awesome!
So, hows the set up working?
Major points for originallity.
Keep on smokin!
Scotty-G
Thanks Scotty G
I'm still waiting for my replacement SSR. I had a faulty one but Auber stepped up to the plate and has sent a new one out. It should be hear shortly. I will keep you guys posted on the performance.
Mike
I'm building a PID Controller from a posting from Rob (susan.rminor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315) and have a qauestion about the thermocouple.
The thermocouple I got from Auber is the one on this post, but the end looks like I need to screw it into something, not like a probe end as I kind of expected. What do I do with this end, just stick it in the vent of the BS, or am I missing a piece?
Thanks,
Just stick it down the vent. I ended up getting the one from Omega a more expensive probe, but much more accurate than the $5.00 plus I used a Jack plug with it. Also ordered an "extension cord" for the probe for winter to set my PID inside and run the cord under my garage door.
Nodak,
I like what you are saying. How do I find an "extension cord"? A "Jack Plug"? Which TC from Omega? I am asking as I am gathering the parts now, really have no idea what I am doing, and also want to run the PID unit inside the house.
I built a smoker shack at the back of the house so my BS can sit our there no matter the weather and I am hoping to have the PID and ET-73 sitting there in my kitchen operating the BS.
Thermocouple - Omega #TJ72-CASS-316U-3-SB-SMPW-M
Mini Panel Jack - Omega #RMJ-K-R
(info from bubbagump the master of PID's)
You need to use the some wire from the TC to run from PID to Jack, they say it is critical to use same wire. Than when I ordered I just told them I need an "extension cord" to run from the jack to TC and they figured it out, I just told them I needed 6ft. that gave me 12 total. the TC's are custom made so you can just order it with a longer cord. I wanted the option not to have all that cord tangling up in the summer when I don't need the length.
Hi Smokin Stu
If you look back at my original post you will see I used an Omega TC as well. The only difference is I ordered it 96 inches long. That's why the part number starts with "TJ96".
Mike
smokin stu,
Make sure you get the same type of TC wire as the thermocouple you are using. Also, each wire in the pair is different, so like-wire to like-wire.
Arcs_n_Sparks
i just sent out an e-mail to them to see about having them set up a invoice as well. how long did it take you to get a reply walleye? and how long did it take to recive the items?
Hi OutLander
I received a reply within a day I believe. I just sent an email to him regarding setup yesterday and I got his reply this morning. Here is the email addy I have for him:
[email protected]I think delivery was about 10 days. Ask him to sent it USPS and not UPS. Mine came through with no brokers fees or any other charge at the border. If you are going to order the TC from Omega they have an online Canadian store. That's where I ordered mine from to avoid brokers fees.
I've got mine all setup now. Works perfect! I have a batch of jerky in right now and it's maintaining 175 degrees spot on. every once in a while it will flash to 176 but quickly returns to 175. I have spent the last couple of nights (that's why I missed Tuesday chat) running the auto-tune and fine tuning it. At first after auto-tune it seemed to have a +3 to -2 swing but now that I'm actually smokin' something it is right on.
Mike
yup,,fast responce time, woke up next morn and they had the invoice all set up for me. lol,, they even caught my mistake on the model number and corrected it, with a email explaning the whys and what fors. 10 days waiting,huh,,,,enough time to cure up some pastramie me thinks.
chris
Hopefully sooner! ;)
Mike