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Title: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: bushman on June 01, 2008, 08:15:13 pm
I just received my Auber plug and play temp controller and have tried it out this weekend by smoking a salmon. This devise seems to be the same as the PID`s that everyone has been building. It also is a PID as it says what PID # to set at for Bradley smoker.
I put my Maverick Thermometre beside the Auder sensor. It seems that the maverick and Auder displayed approx. 3 dergrees difference .
I used a receipe that I start off with a low temp. and graduate up. The swing at it lowest temp was approx. 13 degrees. But as I increased temp. the swing tightened up to approx. 3 degrees.
The highest temp. I used was 170 and would figure that at the regular temp. of 200 or 210 degrees ,it will be great.
It was great to just set and go. The temp or time setup was easy . So far it looks great and recommend it if you don`t want to make one yourself.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on June 03, 2008, 08:36:20 am
I ordered one the end of last week so it should be here by mid week in time to try it out this weekend.  I just got my new Bradley yesterday and bubba pucks and wood are on the way also so I hope to get my first smoke in the new unit with all the extra goodies in the mix.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: westexasmoker on June 03, 2008, 09:02:41 am
Welcome to the forum guys!

Yep I for one could not live without my pid, now that I've used it for the past three smokes, truly is set it and forget it!  Your gonna love it!  Oh yeah, I'm supposed to say use mesquite!  ;D  Enjoy and keep a smokin!

C
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: CT Smoker on June 03, 2008, 12:23:47 pm
Where are you guys buying the Auber plug-n-play? I went to their web site and it says they're on vacation and won't be shipping until June 16th.
Is there another source for them that can get them out sooner?

Thanks,

Brian
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: bushman on June 03, 2008, 05:47:26 pm
They are on holidays as of last friday, unfortunately your going to have to wait until they get back
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on June 04, 2008, 08:11:52 am
I got mine direct, but I think I got in before they went on vacation.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on June 06, 2008, 06:00:23 pm
First I want to say this is an awesome forum.  I have been lurking for about six weeks and the amount that I have learned is incredible.  I have owned my Bradley for about 5 weeks but have not been able to use it as much as I would like.   :(

I ordered the Auber PID from the ebay link that was on another thread  http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=7188.0.  It came a few days before memorial day weekend.  Saturday of memorial day weekend I went through the directions & hooked it up.  Turned it on,  the lights on the controller lit up, set the temp to 200degrees and nothing .   The  controller had power but was not turning on the OBS.  Reread the directions to make sure I had it right (I did), unplugged everything, replugged -- same thing.   Left it on for a couple hours & still nothing.  Sent an email to Auber and had an email response within 45 minutes!  He asked me to send him my phone number so he could call & talk with me.  I sent an email that got stuck in my outbox (grrrr) and I didn't notice it til late Sat. night.  Received a call on Sunday morning - we went over basics real quick but no luck .   He said he would send out a new controller that day - could I return the dead one when I had a chance.  Received the new one mid-week,  set it up and let it run for a couple hours and it appeared to be working fine but didn't have time to really test it out.    Tonights the big test - doing a Boston Butt --  It's been running for a couple hours now and seems to running well - it's been consistently 3 or 4 degrees different than the maverick.

So, in short, got a bad pid but customer service was excellent & was problem was remedied quickly.  I was very impressed to get an email & phone call during Memorial Day weekend. 

Deb

Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: iceman on June 09, 2008, 08:58:13 am
Sounds like they rate right up there with Bradley customer service deb.
It makes things a lot nicer when customer service is top notch.
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on June 09, 2008, 12:43:18 pm
Yup... When I built my PID I got a bad SSR. I sent Auber an email and they phoned me back in minutes and shipped another SSR out to me. Ya can't beat that!  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: bushman on June 15, 2008, 07:41:04 pm
I used the auber plug & play this weekend to smoke a brisket. At the higher temps. it kept it within 1 degree.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: yul on June 17, 2008, 04:28:34 pm
 :) Auber after sales service is first class. After I built my PID, a friend asked me to build him one also. I ordered what I thought were the same items but I made a mistake and unknowingly ordered the wrong SSR. I did all the ordering online from where I work. Twenty minutes later I got a phone call from my wife saying that someone from Auber had called at home to point out that maybe I had ordered the wrong SSR. They asked if the components were for a Bradley smoker and when "she who must be obeyed"  ;)  answered that they were, they corrected my order and told her that it was being shipped that evening.
Now that's what I call service. ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Gizmo on June 17, 2008, 08:33:00 pm
I'd say so.  Your wife has my vote as well.  To think, she didn't cancel the order and helped in getting the right parts.  Excellence Award for sure.  Watch out or LQ will break out her carrot talk to the Mrs.  That may cost you more the the SSR did. :D
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on June 27, 2008, 11:43:43 am
Well I got my auber after the vacation delay, but had no time to try it that week and couldn't get a butt in time for last weekend so now I have one along with Ice's sauce.  So I am ready with butt to go in at about 6 tonight.  I am just getting organized to set all up and make sure all is go and figured out my cabinet will not plug into the auber with the current cabinet plug.  I think the pic in the Bradley set-u shows the generator plugs into the cabinet and cabinet in the wall.  Maybe I am not correct as I can't find that paper right now. My cabinet plugs into the generator and the goofy plug will not plug into the auber or the wall.  Now I guess i have to run around and find a cord someplace.  Looks like a computer power cord or something so I guess I am off to radio shack.  Is everyone having to get these cords?
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Gizmo on June 27, 2008, 12:17:36 pm
There have been a few posts here that a computer style cord is required for some of the setups.  Bradley has changed the recepticles on the Smoker over the years due to saftey issues with exposed live prongs.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on June 27, 2008, 01:09:31 pm
Well I got my auber after the vacation delay, but had no time to try it that week and couldn't get a butt in time for last weekend so now I have one along with Ice's sauce.  So I am ready with butt to go in at about 6 tonight.  I am just getting organized to set all up and make sure all is go and figured out my cabinet will not plug into the auber with the current cabinet plug.  I think the pic in the Bradley set-u shows the generator plugs into the cabinet and cabinet in the wall.  Maybe I am not correct as I can't find that paper right now. My cabinet plugs into the generator and the goofy plug will not plug into the auber or the wall.  Now I guess i have to run around and find a cord someplace.  Looks like a computer power cord or something so I guess I am off to radio shack.  Is everyone having to get these cords?

I have an OBS & I did not have to buy any cords - maybe you have a digital & it is different?.  Mine came with two cords - one was a little shorter than the other.  I think the shorter one was stamped with a code that contained 16 -- that goes from the auber box to the electrical outlet (I use an surge strip).  There was a longer one also (I think this was stamped with a code containing 18 & I think exactly the same as the one that came with the Bradley).  The directions had two ways that everything could be setup using one electrical outlet or two --- the way I have been doing it is the longer one from the auber box to the cabinet.  Then I use the cord that came with the Bradley and plug the smoke generator into the surge strip.  (I'm not using the cord (from Bradley) that did go between the cabinet & smoke generator)  (I think I have this right, going from memory & have only used it a few times)     

 
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on June 27, 2008, 01:34:09 pm
 :-[My goof.  I assumed the power cord provided plugged into the control and then the wall.  The cord can plug in either side of the control depending on which end you use so if you change it around you can feed the control from the smoke generator.  Just didn't look at thing right and it has been a week and a half since I looked at the info with the control.  I sent off an e-mail to Auber while I tried to set it up and dig out the instructions again and before I got it hooked up I had a call from Auber.  Great customer service!  Now on with the set-up and first butt.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: bushman on June 27, 2008, 03:36:35 pm
ya I did not need an extra cord . You basically put it in between the power from the generator and the power going into the cabinet
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on June 30, 2008, 08:03:02 am
Well I finally got it done this weekend!  Did about an 8 lb butt.

I had problems right off with the Auber blinking on and off.  The jumper between the generator and cabinet never felt tight at the generator plug.  I had gotten the extra cord already so I used it to direct connect the Auber and not use the plug in the generator.  That was the problem.  I need to talk to Bradley about it, but with the Auber set up now I don't need the jumper or plug in the generator.

My Auber ran about 3 deq less than the Maverick in the cabinet.  The Auber was actually right on with the door thermometer.  I checked the Maverick in boiling water and it was about 5 deg. low when tested, but was about on with the thermometer in the house for room temp.  I adjusted temp target and Auber settings accordingly.  Set Auber at 200 figuring it was close to 208-210.  Started at 6 pm in pre-heated smoker with meat out on counter to warm for about 1.5 hr.  Cabinet temp came up without much wait.  Auber did great with 1 deg. temp swing from target all along.   

My Maverick meat temp probe tested low in boiling water also so I pulled it out when the temp at the lowest temp part of the meat was at 185 deg. with most parts at 190 or a little more.  Pulled it out at 4pm, 22 hr.  It was great, but took too long.

I need to temp check the Auber and my Maverick some more to see what is up.  I think the Auber was closer maybe than the Maverick.  It seemed like the Time was too long, but I also have to check all the temp recommendations as I could have been under set 10 deg. cook temp.  Not sure.  Next time I am for sure going to run the Auber at 205-210 from the start and bump maybe 5 deg. at 12 hours.

The Auber worked great!
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Grayghst on July 14, 2008, 07:44:05 pm
I just received my PID and it is dead. I tried plugging it in the way the directions said and even just plugging it into the wall. I checked the fuse and it is good. I have e-mailed Auber and now waiting. Hopefully it will be an easy fix. I will let yo uknow how it goes.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on July 14, 2008, 08:05:41 pm
Grayghst

Sorry to hear that. I know when I built my PID I used a number of parts from Auber. I did have problems with the SSR. I sent them an email from work (I live in Canada) and within a few minutes he phoned me. Definitely good customer service. Hopefully everything works out for you.

Keep us posted

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on July 15, 2008, 03:57:59 am
I just received my PID and it is dead. I tried plugging it in the way the directions said and even just plugging it into the wall. I checked the fuse and it is good. I have e-mailed Auber and now waiting. Hopefully it will be an easy fix. I will let yo uknow how it goes.


Grayghst,

My first one was DOA also.  I emailed Auber and actually received a phone call over Memorial Day weekend.  He sent a new one out right away.  The new one has had no problems.  I bet you will receive an email today requesting your phone number so they can call. 

Deb
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Grayghst on July 15, 2008, 09:41:07 am
I actually received a call at 8:00pm pacific time (11pm eastern) last night and he is sending me a new one today. Talk about great customer service. I didn't expect anything until today. 
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Grayghst on July 17, 2008, 04:53:59 pm
Well I just received the replacement PID from Auber and it works. At least it comes on. I won't be able to test it for a couple of weeks. I am going to Juneau, AK for work (and fishing). Hopefully I will come home with enough Salmon and Halibut to do some smoking.  ;D
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on July 17, 2008, 05:48:13 pm
Great to here they came through for you Grayghst!  ;)

Have fun on your fishing trip!... ahhh... I mean business trip!  :D

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on July 18, 2008, 07:55:15 pm
I am working on my second butt tonight and have been having problems with the Auber.  It worked great for the fist one and a batch of fish other than running lower temp than the Maverick.  Earlier I had all kinds of problems.  It was running cab temps 20 deg. higher than it said on the read out.  It was also running heat constant on at times when it was reading above the set point.  Then at one point the reading on temp dropped another 20 deg on the read out.  I turned it on and off a few times to try to reset and kept getting odd stuff.  I pulled the probe and let it cool to ambient temp with it off.  I restarted and put the probe back in.  Finally it was back to running right and 5 deg. under the Maverick and looked to be functioning correctly.  About a half hour ago I pulled the Maverick and the Auber in the house and put the Bradley on slide control.  I tested both in crushed ice water and the Auber alarmed when it dropped below 32.  The Maverick sat right at 32.  Next was boiling water.  The maverick topped out at 203.  The Auber was running 195.  I reset it a few times and got the same odd stuff with it once running to 208 and other times in the 190-180-170 ranges after restarts.  I had a 220 set temp on it so it would run up the power, but it was jumping all over.  Maybe because it was not hooked to anything it was doing it, but it was doing a lot of the same when connected to the Bradley.  I finally reset a few more times and then changed the temp SC setting.  I go it to hit boiling water temp +- and act right on three tries.  I set everything back up so we will see.  The last check the cabinet was up to temp the Maverick was about where it should be with the error it has and the Auber was working fine again.  I have no idea what is up.  I am going to watch it until midnight and then let it ride.  I will have to give Auber a call tomorrow.  I think I am going to go ahead and run an auto programming on it after the butt comes off and see if that helps.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on July 19, 2008, 06:19:08 am
The last check the cabinet was up to temp the Maverick was about where it should be with the error it has and the Auber was working fine again.  I have no idea what is up.  I am going to watch it until midnight and then let it ride.  I will have to give Auber a call tomorrow.  I think I am going to go ahead and run an auto programming on it after the butt comes off and see if that helps. A couple more checks up to midnight and it was running fine holding temp and within a couple degrees of what it should be with a set point of 205 deg.  Went to bed and got up at 6 to check it.  The Auber was running 205 deg. and holding with pulses of power.  I thought great!  Then I checked the cabinet temp on the door and the Maverick and it was 235 and 238 so over 240 actual.  :(  The meat was 195 so I took it out and FTC for 3 hr.  I just pulled it and it pulled okay, but it is very very greasy.  Still has a lot of fat in the meat and it is nothing like the last one I did.  I lost most of the bark because it was too loaded with grease to save for my taste.  It was done 8-hours ahead of my last one.  I know the fat in a butt and the way it cooks will vary, but I have to think the thing cooked way to fast and didn't have time to really break down the fat and drain it through the meat.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: FLBentRider on July 19, 2008, 06:27:24 am
I did my first butts with the auber pid last night as well. The auber held at an auber-indicated 200F, maverick was about 12 deg higher. I pulled the butts, put in a cast iron roasting pan, covered with foil and into the 200F convection oven, set to turn off at an IT of 185 (the highest the meat sensor will go  :( ) I'll then switch to my pyrex themometer for the last 5 degrees.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: bushman on July 19, 2008, 10:22:19 am
I have now used my Auber for about 10 smokes and it has work flawless.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Wheezer on July 31, 2008, 01:30:47 am
Hi all,

I am an inexperienced smoker and have just brought a DBS.  I am looking at the Auber PID due to the temperature fluctuations I am experiencing, but does anyone see a problem with the temperature control range i.e. 120f-284f. It is particularly the lower range I am concerned about.

Any advice from the voices of experience would be gratefully received

Just as a quick intro I have been dry curing for years and have only just moved into the world of smoking so hopefully I shall be able to offer some knowledge to the forum in return for the information I receive.

Many thanks

Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on July 31, 2008, 02:42:16 am
Hi Wheeze;
Welcome to the forum.

I have the OBS and use a temperature control device (Raptor Power Package; aka Raptor/Guru), but I think this will apply for the DBS. For controlling temperatures below 150°F, you should use the cold smoke setup.
Cold Smoke Setup (http://www.johnwatkins.co.uk/personalpages/coldsmoking.htm)

Some have made a more permanent setup by using wood or sheet metal to build their off set box.

I will be interested in your future post on dry curing. I've have tried it with minimal success. I don't have a basement, so I'm planning on building a cabinet that will be able to control the humidity and temperature.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: FLBentRider on July 31, 2008, 03:31:30 am
W E L C O M E  to the Forum Wheezer!

I am also looking forward to the dry curing discussion, but due to my climate, I won't be doing any soon unless I build something powered or move, neither of which is likely in the near future...  :)
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on July 31, 2008, 05:56:58 am
Welcome to the forum Wheezer.

That was the only thing I questioned regarding this unit as well. I make some snack sticks that call for about 8 hours at 100 degrees to give the fermento time to work before bringing them up to temp. I built my own PID which gives me that option. I agree with Habs regarding the cold smoke setup to maintain those low temps. I have mine built into my heated garage and setup with a permanent metal cold smoke box so that low temps aren't a problem.

If low temps are a must for you I would look at either building your own PID, which isn't bad to do, or going with the Raptor/DigiQ route.

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: bushman on July 31, 2008, 11:00:04 am
I have had my auber at 110 degreeswith smoke salmon and at lower temps it has a larger swing in temp. But it should even work at far lower temps but it just has larger swings. When they say from 120 degrees ,I think that is the bench mark for smaller swings but it will work
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: sherlock on July 31, 2008, 12:52:45 pm
Would this work on a digital smoker
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Wheezer on July 31, 2008, 10:44:12 pm
Hi all,

Many thanks to all for the advice. I think I may look at building my own unit so I can match the parameters I desire. I have found alot of useful information on this site which would give me the confidence on how to do this, but am sure I shall have a few pleas for help along the way.

I have been in contact with Auber for advice aswell and have to say that their customer service is outstanding which is certainly a rarity these days.

Habenero smoker/FLBentRider

In regards to a climate chamber for dry curing. I have designed a controlled curing chamber (temp/humidity) as my climate is not ideal for it either.  I can post the layout in a separate thread if it will be of interest.

Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on July 31, 2008, 11:04:09 pm
Wheezer

You can't go wrong with Auber customer service for sure. I've had nothing but the best from them as well.

I think I can safely speak for Habs & FL (and me)... we would love to see your setup. In fact I'm sure there are others that would also find it interesting.

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Wheezer on July 31, 2008, 11:10:08 pm
Re: Curing Chamber

I shall post it in the next week or so when the day job quietens down a bit and holidays commence!!!
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on July 31, 2008, 11:12:43 pm
We will look forward to it Wheezer.

Thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 01, 2008, 02:02:48 am
Wheezer;

As Mike stated I would be very interested. I have basic plan, that I am trying to piece together. It's really a concoction of ideas from various source, that include homemade wine making/brewing to jerky. I even found one design where someone was using an air conditioner to maintain the temperature of his cabinet.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on August 01, 2008, 07:06:27 am
Auber customer service is top notch for sure.  I have had many e-mails with very short turn around time and even got a couple calls on the weekend to talk about the problems I have been having with my unit.  I just got a replacement sensor and I think that cleared up one problem, but I still have an issue I think with the unit.  I have no doubt it will be addressed.

For low temp smoking it has a lot to do with outside air temp and the generator.  I tried to hold 110 for the start of salmon and could only hold 120, but the Auber was off all the time so no effect.  The smoke generator kicks out too much heat unless you make a cold smoke set up.  When the temps drop this fall I will see how it does then.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on August 01, 2008, 10:36:44 am
I have had my auber at 110 degreeswith smoke salmon and at lower temps it has a larger swing in temp. But it should even work at far lower temps but it just has larger swings. When they say from 120 degrees ,I think that is the bench mark for smaller swings but it will work

For what it's worth, here's my take on PID temp swings at lower temps....

Most people tune their PID's for 200 or 210 degrees. By doing this the PID seeks the very best settings to maintain this temp in the given enviroment. So, when you try to maintain a temp around 110 degrees the parameters and response times are completely different which result in temp swings.

Here is what I have thought about doing. I haven't tested the theory yet so take it for what it's worth.

First, record your P, I & D settings as you have it tuned now. You may also want to record the "t" setting (Cycle Rate) as well. I have noticed that the auto tune sometimes changes this as well. If you are like most people you have probably tuned it for 200 or 210 degees. By recording these settings you will be able to manually change them back.

Next run the autotune with a simulated load in the BS at the desired temp, say 110 degrees. Once the autotune is complete, manually look at the settings and record themas well.

In theory, with the settings you have recorded, you should be able to manually adjust the PID to more acurately maintain different temperature ranges. Of course, to maintain a 110 degree temp for any period of time you will probably have to have your BS setup in a cold smoke configuration.

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: rcger on August 01, 2008, 06:15:55 pm
I received an email from Auber today with a PDF file attached showing the instructions for hooking the plug-n-play to a BDS.  If anyone would like to receive a copy, let me know and I'll email it to you.  Or better yet, is there a way to attach a file to a post on the forum?
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on August 01, 2008, 06:45:12 pm
rcger

If you email it to me I will try to post it here. You can email me at

mmcritchie@sasktel.net

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on August 01, 2008, 09:46:22 pm
Sorry rcger, I thought I could convert the file, then post it but I can't.

Hey Olds...

Is there any way you could host the pdf file?

If you can, in addition to this file I also have the Auber PID manual in pdf format.

Let me know and I could email them to you.

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 02, 2008, 02:53:04 am
Sorry rcger, I thought I could convert the file, then post it but I can't.

Hey Olds...

Is there any way you could host the pdf file?

If you can, in addition to this file I also have the Auber PID manual in pdf format.

Let me know and I could email them to you.

Mike

What format did you want to convert it to. I can convert it to jpeg; jpeg200, TIFF, or HTML.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on August 02, 2008, 06:18:23 am
Thanks Habs

I emailed the files to you. I tried to convert them to jpeg images but it destroyed the file. Maybe your software will work better.

The other thing I thought of was to sent Suyi Lui from Auber an email and try to get him to make them available on his web site. I think it would be helpful for most of his customers to quickly reference the material.

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 02, 2008, 02:10:47 pm
Thanks Habs

I emailed the files to you. I tried to convert them to jpeg images but it destroyed the file. Maybe your software will work better.

The other thing I thought of was to sent Suyi Lui from Auber an email and try to get him to make them available on his web site. I think it would be helpful for most of his customers to quickly reference the material.

Mike

I'll check my e-mail now. I have Acrobat Pro 8, and I should'nt have any problems with the conversion. I'll get it done later this evening.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 02, 2008, 02:31:16 pm
Hi Mike;

The AuberIns_PID_Manual is password protected. The only primissions are printing, copying is also blocked. I tried a screen capture, but you have to reduce the image on the screen so much to capture a full page it not worth viewing. The controlling the smoker file converted alright. that wasn't protected.

The other file converted alright. I'll send out later the converted file later this evening. Right now there is a break in the weather, so I need to get my corn and eggplant in the smoker.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on August 02, 2008, 02:36:57 pm
I can print it out & scan it.  I might be able to to scan directly to a jpeg (I usually scan to pdf but I'm sure I have that option). 

ETA - I may already have a printed copy - I know I printed when I bought mine.  I might just have to do the scanning.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 02, 2008, 02:44:34 pm
Hi Deb;

Now that I got my corn in the smoker I'm able to think more clearly. Thanks for the idea, let me try printing and scanning if I have any problems you definatel will be a backup. :)
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on August 02, 2008, 02:50:27 pm
Habs,  don't print!!!

I just printed to PDF with adobe 7 pro & it created a file w/o security.  Then I opened & did save as a jpeg.  The bigger file created each page as a separate jpeg.  I have them all.   Should I throw them on photobucket & link them?
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 02, 2008, 02:58:26 pm
If you got them both done, that will be great if you can put them in your photobucket, but I'm sure that Mike will be able to download them from there; they are small files so you should be able to upload them without resampling. And if you post the link I want to check it out to make sure it is the same file that Mike sent. The locked file was the Auber SYL PID Temperature Controller - Instruction Manual.

That's funny, the small file should have made file for each picture.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on August 02, 2008, 03:03:59 pm
Habs,
It might be a different file.  The larger file that was on the cd I received was labeled WS1200AS.  The smaller file was controlling the smoker WS1200AS. 

I have to go finish dinner but will do as soon as I'm done. 

Deb

P.S.  The smaller file created a file for each page also.

Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on August 02, 2008, 04:36:39 pm
Habs,

Here is page 1 of smaller file:

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/deb415611/controlling%20the%20smoker/controllingthesmokerws-1200as_Pa-7.jpg)


The larger file :
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/deb415611/WS1200-AS%20instructions/WS-1200AS_Page_01.jpg)

Let me know if they are the files you are looking at. 

I'm fighting with photobucket right now trying to get them where & the way I want them.  Adobe did not put the correct page numbers on the files.

Deb

Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Wildcat on August 02, 2008, 07:58:21 pm
I think what you guys are doing is great, but I would recommend that you contact Auber and make sure that you are not violating copywrite laws.  If it is copyrighted, then I would guess that Auber would grant permission.  Just trying to watch out for everyones best interest.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 03, 2008, 02:40:59 am
Hi Deb;

Thanks for doing this. Sorry I missed your post, and didn't get to it earlier. I had to eat some of that corn, the eggplant came out great to, then I did some work on the recipe site.

The first photo you have is the short PDF file that Mike sent. Your second example is not the other file Mike sent me, so I will go ahead and print that out and scan it. I'm going to send Mike the converted Auber SYL.... files, do you want a copy also? Mike may want you to send him a copy of what you converted. I'm sure when he see this, he will inform us.

For Acrobat, the page number should be listed at the end of the file name. The name of the file is long, so if viewing in MS Explorer, extend the Name column.

As for photobucket, upload the pictures in reverse order, last page first, then they will be displayed in proper order when you view them.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on August 03, 2008, 04:24:54 am
Hi Deb;

Thanks for doing this. Sorry I missed your post, and didn't get to it earlier. I had to eat some of that corn, the eggplant came out great to, then I did some work on the recipe site.

The first photo you have is the short PDF file that Mike sent. Your second example is not the other file Mike sent me, so I will go ahead and print that out and scan it. I'm going to send Mike the converted Auber SYL.... files, do you want a copy also? Mike may want you to send him a copy of what you converted. I'm sure when he see this, he will inform us.

For Acrobat, the page number should be listed at the end of the file name. The name of the file is long, so if viewing in MS Explorer, extend the Name column.

As for photobucket, upload the pictures in reverse order, last page first, then they will be displayed in proper order when you view them.


Habs,

Thanks for the tip on photobucket.   
 
Adobe did number the files but incorrectly numbered a few.  I will rename them when I get a chance. 

I hope it's not too late -- If you open the file in adobe acrobat (standard or pro, just not reader) you can do file/print then pick "adobe pdf" as your printer.  It will "print" the file to a new file that should not have security.  Saves the paper & scanning step.  I didn't think of it until after I opened the file to print it out.  I thought I had mentioned it earlier but maybe not.

The corn & eggplant sound great.  I'm interested in what you did with the corn.  I have to go get some in awhile. 

The manual I have is for the non-programmable auber plug & play. 

Deb
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 03, 2008, 05:12:24 am
Thanks for the tip I'll try that. I did print and scan, by you loose some quality.

The smoked corn is form the recipe site, and I posted the recipe for the smoked eggplant.

Smoked Corn on the Cob (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?t=497)
Smoked Marinated Eggplant (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?t=513)

For the corn read my comments at the bottom of the page.

Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: deb415611 on August 03, 2008, 05:28:29 am
Thanks Habs!

Not sure why I didn't think to look there.  I was just going there to get the SmokinHotMama's smoked pork chop recipe.

Deb
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 03, 2008, 06:07:05 am
Hi Deb;

Auber did more then just secure with a password, they also encrypted the file, so it won't allow it to print to print to adobe pdf.

This is the message I get:

%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
This PostScript file was created from an encrypted PDF file.
Redistilling encrypted PDF is not permitted.
%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
%%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%

I guess Auber believes they have a top secret document ;D

I had already sent the image files to Mike, but was hoping to improve the quality.

But your tip will come in handy. I have a couple of files that I have secured with a password, and not encrypted. Now I know how to open them and modify them if I have to.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on August 03, 2008, 08:08:52 am
Wow... Habs & Deb have been busy! I was away for a day and will be gone most of today as well.

Thanks Habs, I got those files in the email you sent me.

I think what I'm going to do is get hold of Suyi from Auber and see if will create a download area on his site for these files. After all, it would be in his best interest. It is handy to have access to them every once in a while.

If I don't get anywhere with Auber I will upload the files Habs converted to PhotoBucket and post them here.

Thanks again guys & gals!

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 03, 2008, 02:17:36 pm
Mike;

When you contact Auber, ask them why they are treating that file as if it should be classified. ;D
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Oldman on August 03, 2008, 07:34:16 pm
Well Iceman built a PID controller for me. At 160F its temp swing is 161F then to 160F then after awhile it will go back to 161F etc..

Now Iceman tested it for 4 four and after looking over the directions for the settings I wonder if those here who have stated bigger swings at the lower in of the temp if it is not a setting in the PID.

I don't know if where they are manufactured has anything to do with the swings, but price sure does. An American PID controller I priced was many times that of those made in China.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on August 03, 2008, 09:15:31 pm
Habs

I sent an email this morning to Auber and when I got home tonight I had a response from them. Ya gotta like good customer service!  ;)

They felt it was an excellent idea and would try to get it done. I asked him to shoot me an email when he does. He indicated he might need a little time but they would work on it.

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Habanero Smoker on August 04, 2008, 03:49:26 am
That is what I also call as good customer service.

He probably need most of the time to try and figure out how to decrypt his own file. ;D
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: rcger on August 04, 2008, 07:01:06 am
Habs

I sent an email this morning to Auber and when I got home tonight I had a response from them. Ya gotta like good customer service!  ;)

They felt it was an excellent idea and would try to get it done. I asked him to shoot me an email when he does. He indicated he might need a little time but they would work on it.

Mike

Suyi is the one who sent me the document in the first place.  I think it was helpful.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on August 18, 2008, 06:39:16 am
After many e-mails and tests I finally sent my Auber back to get checked.  Suyi e-mailed me a couple days ago that he found a bad connection in it, which was causing loss of sensor readings and shifts in readout and heating.  No he says it is working fine.  Hope to have it back this week to try a smoke with it.  Now I know part of my problems was the Auber.  However, this weekend on a smoke I still had temp control issues and I think part of my problems is my Bradley.  I think both the Auber and Bradley started acting up about the same time giving me all kinds of problems.  I did salmon yesterday without the Auber and had a heck of a time getting temp up for the 175 deg. part of the Kummok salmon.  Over 80 deg. out, no wind and had to run full slide, vent closed all the way, and smoke generator on just to hold 175 deg.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: FLBentRider on August 18, 2008, 07:15:54 am
Somethings not right there. My OBS will do 170 with just the smoker generator on in hot weather.

You probably already checked this, but make sure the cords are plugged in securely.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Mr Walleye on August 18, 2008, 07:32:16 am
Xtreme

These are just some random thoughts I have...  ::)

When using the OBS with the PID the Power is running through the slider control. There is no purpose for this because the PID is controlling the heat. I don't have an OBS but if I did I would rewire it so that the heater was directly connected to the PID. The DBS is built this way because the controls are in the smoke generator so when hooking up a PID to it, it is (PID) connected directly to the heater. I don't know if your problem is associated to the temp slider or it's circuit board but I don't see any reason why not to eliminate it as it serves no purpose with the PID. It's not difficult to remove the back off the cabinet. I don't think it would be very difficult to rewire it.... Just some thoughts....

Mike
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on August 18, 2008, 12:08:21 pm
Somethings not right there. My OBS will do 170 with just the smoker generator on in hot weather.

You probably already checked this, but make sure the cords are plugged in securely.

That is a good idea and at one point I thought that maybe that could be a problem.  I don't like the fit of the jumper cord in the generator.  I had some problems with it when tied into the Auber so I use a computer cord to run the cabinet separate.  I was running it still and changed out to the jumper just in case it was a problem, but I had been running that cord in the past without issue.  The change had no effect.  It is a good idea to check as a week cord or bad connection could cause a problem with getting full power.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on August 18, 2008, 12:12:20 pm
Xtreme

These are just some random thoughts I have...  ::)

When using the OBS with the PID the Power is running through the slider control. There is no purpose for this because the PID is controlling the heat. I don't have an OBS but if I did I would rewire it so that the heater was directly connected to the PID. The DBS is built this way because the controls are in the smoke generator so when hooking up a PID to it, it is (PID) connected directly to the heater. I don't know if your problem is associated to the temp slider or it's circuit board but I don't see any reason why not to eliminate it as it serves no purpose with the PID. It's not difficult to remove the back off the cabinet. I don't think it would be very difficult to rewire it.... Just some thoughts....

Mike


I was thinking the same thing.  No need for it as long as the PID is working.  I just may do it, to try it out and see if that makes it work.  It is still under warrantee so I plan to replace it if it is bad just so I have one on hand for emergency smoking if the PID goes bad. 
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: West Coast Kansan on August 18, 2008, 03:27:07 pm
I think the issue is related to the vent being full closed.  The proverbial moisture trap / condensation type issue.  :-\

Try the heat now with the vent open about a half and see what temp you get to... no need for food just to play with it and check that it is working.  ;)

Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on August 18, 2008, 04:19:46 pm
I will give it a try empty soon to see what I can do with it, but it ran for a long time with half vent and no generator and only went from about 145 to about 152.  After I turned on the generator it got up to 160 something.  Only after I closed the vent was I able to get to 175.  After I did I went to half vent and was right back down to low 160's.  I let it run a half hour to see if it would come up and it didn’t budge.  This was about 4-hours into the smoke when I started trying to go to 175 so not all that much moisture left in the cabinet and I was not running water as I toss it out when the smoking is done and I rotate racks.  With skin on salmon the way we like it I don't need the extra moisture and usually run vent all the time.  My salmon smoke before this one when I thought the Auber was acting up it ran 2 hours and never came up to 175.  After an hour and a half I turned on the generator to bost it and a half hour later I had to close the vent to get it up to temp.  That time I was able to open the vent some and hold 175 to finsh.
Title: Re: Auber plug & play temp control
Post by: Xtrema312 on August 18, 2008, 06:19:34 pm
This post was really more about my Auber so I started a post about the heat issue over in the original Bradley area so I will continue there.  Thanks for your input and please add any more comments about the heat issue there.  I don’t want to get too much non Auber stuff in this post.  I did an empty test so have more info to add.