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I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« on: November 11, 2009, 10:40:49 am »
I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked  

A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto


If you are interested and decide to read this manifesto, grab a cup of coffee, a glass of iced tea or a cold one. This is going to take a while.

What a view.


 
Not outside the window, look at what is on the table.  


Ten briskets aged and ready to smoke.


Now I must ask myself, “to foil or not to foil”.

“Brisket and ribs – To foil or not to foil.  That is the question.” This is a not so famous quote from a little known work of Shakespeare; Campfire Cooking for the Traveler – Hamlet’s Guide to Smoked Road Kill.  As you can see, the subject of wrapping meat in foil while cooking has been debated for a very, very long time.

I am not looking to get in a spitting match or any contest dealing with a lower appendage here (however, I will take it as it comes).  I am certainly not trying to disparage anyone else’s techniques.  I believe an intricate part of barbequing and smoking is sharing successes and failures and the knowledge conveyed by each. This custom is so well reflected by the interchange of this board.  I want to relate my experience to the board on the pros of smoking naked (not foiling or boating) during the actual smoking or cooking process and the science behind foiling and not foiling.  These opinions and observations are based on personally smoking over 150 briskets in the Bradley.

I am NOT speaking of the Foil, Towel, Cooler (FTC) method used after removing the meat from the heat source.  This process holds a finished brisket or other meat at its optimum temperature for several hours while the connective tissue continues to break down.  I use this procedure with great results but do not consider it a requirement.

Definitions:  

Authentic Texas Barbeque Brisket and Ribs:  

Authentic is defined as entitled to acceptance or belief because of agreement with known facts or experience: conforming to an original so as to reproduce essential features: made or done the same way as an original.

Texas, as I used it in the string of words, is intended to be a regional method.  That is why I include Texas pit bosses in the definition of barbeque. There are nuances and this can be further divided into West Texas and South Texas Pit bosses as opposed to Central and East Texas.

Food and recipe change follows immigrants and their cooking styles. Food preparation is also a matter of supply.  Early settlers lived off the land and adjusted their cooking style to the meats available and cooked with the wood obtainable.  The Texas/Mexico border has the Mexican barbacoa buried in moist covered pits. Central Texas hill country Germans and their Deutschland sausage smoking techniques in brick and stone structures were applied to brisket and other tough meats.  West Texas chuck wagon/cowboy cooking involving beef and wild game on the cattle trail and line shacks is still celebrated in chuck wagon cook offs.   The blacks who had learned to cook all manner of tough meats with techniques that had been handed down from their slave ancestors became some of the most renowned pit bosses.  Other immigrant groups such as the French Cajuns also contributed their share of ideas. The Native American Indian lattice smoking and their other cooking and meat drying methods did not go unnoticed by early settlers.

By the 1900’s these techniques had began to blend and homogenize. The 1950’s catering barbequers further refined these unique, yet similar, methods and combined them to a style of their own.  The “new” style was geared toward mass production of slow smoked meat for large crowds.  This different, yet familiar hybrid easily translated to the taste buds of Texans.  In an era before custom feeding of animals to produce tender flavorful meat, patrons were amazed at the taste of this product called Texas barbeque.

Barbeque is a cooking technique.  A single definition of barbeque is debated hotly.  Guns are drawn and fists fly during the calmer of these discussions.  I do not promote such a single definition   I also do not jump from airplanes without a parachute.

 There are two subcategories to barbeque; high temperature grilling and low and slow smoking.  These two methods can be further divided into world wide sub groups.  Variations abound.   It is generally agreed that both of these methods involve primarily meat (but seafood, freshwater fish, crawdads, etc. or vegetables are included) cooked from start to finish over a heat source that involves smoke from the coals of various burned down hardwoods (although other sources of smoke are occasionally used).  This can be in an uncovered or covered dugout pit, a stake or spit near or over coals, an elevated grate or porous platform above coals or in a manufactured enclosed permanent or portable pit which may be built of brick, metal or other materials.  

In a subcategory of the low and slow smokers, the meat is smoked in a traditional method used by Texas pit bosses whose cooking evolved from the blending of the methods described in the Texas definition above.  It involves indirect heat, the light smoke from the coals encircling the meat most of the time and long term smoking over low heat. It may involve various rubs, mops, sops, bastes and slathers to tenderize, flavor and retain moisture in the meat.  This method has changed from open pits to mostly enclosed pits. However, either is applicable.  This is the style most widely known and recognized as Texas Barbeque.

Brisket is an easy definition. It is a cut of beef meat.  It is from the breast area, near the end that a steer wrestler grabs.   If he misses, he will end up right amongst the brisket.  For barbeque, I prefer packer cut but the term could certainly include a trimmed flat or the separated deckle.  See above photo.

Ribs: Another cut of meat. They can be beef or pork.  There are several names such as baby back, St. Louis cut, spare ribs, Kansas City style, country style (which really are not ribs) and others.  I prefer the St. Louis cut pork ribs (spare ribs with the brisket bone removed) or the regular spare ribs, but any that are available will be fine.

Braising:  A cooking technique in which the main ingredient is seared, or browned in fat, or other method and then simmered in liquid on low heat in a covered container where the meat is steamed.  Oven roasting and crock-pot cooking would be common forms of this method.  See the dictionary.

Without further introduction, here are my comments on foiling during the cooking process.  Let the ashes fall where they may.

Foil wrapping or boating during the cooking process is called the Texas Crutch on the BBQ circuit.  (I think a guy form Oklahoma or Kansas started this rumor and intended it to be a disparaging remark to us Texans.  I don’t know why they had to go and make up such a thing.  There is enough true to cuss about us as it is).   At any rate, Texans are certainly not the only ones to use foil as is proven by reading posts on this board.  

Let’s ask first, what is the reason we use the Texas Crutch? The answer is threefold.  The meat is wrapped in foil during the smoking process to (1) stop smoke penetration, (2) stop moisture loss and (3) speed up the cooking process.  This is especially necessary for dry heat and strong wood smoke but real Q’ers have won many a competition without the crutch because they know their pit, their wood coals and how to use them.  While many competitors use the crutch and win, I have read judges’ opinions that inform us that they can tell a distinct difference between a brisket finished in the crutch and one that is finished without.  The Texas Crutch (as the name implies) is frowned upon by many pros.

A foil wrapped brisket is really being cooked using two distinct methods; Barbequing and Braising. This will work fine and produce a great product but also a product with a different taste and texture than authentic barbequing.  My wife makes a brisket (a trimmed flat) covered in the oven using liquid smoke.  It is a fall apart tender brisket and tastes great.  People call it barbequed brisket because she serves it with BBQ sauce but it is not barbequed brisket.  It doesn’t cut the same; it has a different texture and a different taste.  It is a 100 % braised brisket.  A crutched (or boated) brisket is somewhere in-between a braised brisket and a real barbequed brisket.

By the very nature of the cooking methods, barbeque and braising produce different products. Braising does not produce Authentic Texas Brisket which is a barbequed product.  I am not saying that braising a brisket does not produce a tender, tasty product and I am not disparaging anyone’s cooking method, technique or recipe.  But to call a braised brisket “Barbequed Brisket” is inaccurate.  A new term has been coined to describe this hybrid; barbeque braising or barbeque braised.

History is full of examples of design characteristics that carry through to today that were once utilitarian necessities and now are useless.  For instance, the button hole on a suit lapel was used to thread a button attached to a string which was sewn to a hat.  When the wind blew hard, you wouldn’t have to watch your hat rolling down the street.  It would remain tethered to your lapel.  These strings and buttons are still wrapped around the hatband of fine hats but many just have a useless button sewn to the hatband.  But few men use the lapel button hole for that purpose anymore.  In fact, if I bet all of you the same amount of money that your lapel button holes are not even open, I would win handsomely.  However, we still expect a button hole to be sewn onto our lapel even though it is no longer needed.  I feel that the lapel button hole and foil wrapping have a lot in common when using the Bradley.

It cannot be disputed that the Texas Crutch is indeed handy for those using dry heat, want to speed up the cooking process or want to continue to cook on a wood pit without smoking and need their smoking to be a little more forgiving.  Nor can it be disputed that many winning competitors use the crutch (but few will tell you exactly how they use it or when).  The crutch has been the savior of many an abused brisket or rack of ribs. The crutch has a reputation of assured success with a greater margin of error in certain smokers. This is especially true with inexperienced Q’ers using those certain smokers.  This assured success is not free, it comes with a price. The foil crutch is a design characteristic that has unnecessarily carried over to the Bradley (and I believe in any other pit as well).

So, why wouldn’t we continue to use this successful approach in a Bradley?  Keep in mind the three reasons we use the crutch; (1) smoke control, (2) moisture control and (3) time control.  In a Bradley, we can (1) shut the smoke off at anytime and we can (2) regulate the moisture easily enough.  The trick is to keep moisture in the bottom of the smoker at all times.  I replace the little bowl provided with the smoker with an aluminum pan that covers the whole bottom of the smoker.  The back lip is tall enough that I have to bend it a little to get it under the heating element.  Fill and refill it with boiling water so there is no recovery time.  The water can be laced with beer, apple juice, etc.  A big bonus is this will also help to hold the temperature in the proper temperature range below 225F or so degrees. There is also a school of thought that steaming in foil can actually release more moisture than meat smoked in a high moisture smoke and there is good science that backs this up. (How much liquid is in your foil or boat when you are finished?)  Not foiling, crutching or boating means moister meat is my experience.  (3) Speeding up the cooking process has never been much of a problem for me.  If I wanted fast food, I wouldn’t be barbequing while drinking my favorite ice cold adult beverage and listening to Willie and Waylon and the boys with some Eagles thrown in.  I would be at McDonalds.  Actually, I would be at WhatABurger (a Texas chain serving a jalapeno burger) or grilling my own.

Spritzing or basting has been a big part of barbequing for a very long time.  It replaced the moisture that covering the earthen pits with leaves used to provide.  Mopping, a common word used in Texas for basting, kept the meat wet and prevented drying out (you may have seen pictures of men using kitchen mops to apply baste while barbequing over a long earthen pit of meat at the LBJ Ranch or mopping forty-two cows at a little get together in Victoria, Texas in 1921).  When a mop is applied to meats being smoked several things happen. Moisture and usually oil are applied with some sort of seasoning, juice or vinegar.  The moisture and oil keep the meat moist but eventually evaporate and circulate in the pit; leaving behind a layer of flavoring that is built up over time.  This layered flavoring hardens and becomes part of the bark of the brisket.  This bark coating is the hallmark of Authentic Texas Barbeque.

Let me repeat this last statement.  The bark coating is the hallmark of Authentic Texas Barbeque.  Webster’s defines hallmark as a mark or sign of authenticity or excellence; an outstanding or distinguishing feature.


This bark is formed during the Maillard reaction.  This chemical reaction is responsible for the browning of meat, vegetables, bread and other products.  It is what produces that unique meaty flavor.  It’s hard to describe the flavor that results from this browning, but is more than obvious when it is missing. The Maillard reaction is retarded or stopped in a high moisture environment.  This is an undisputed scientific fact.

When this same mop is applied and then the meat is foiled, a different process occurs.  The moisture cannot escape the foil package and becomes steam.  The same flavors are still in the foil package but instead of drying out and hardening into part of the bark; they are left suspended in moisture on the surface of the brisket (think crock-pot).  At this point in the life (or more appropriately, death) of the meat, the steamed meat is trying to exhale moisture and there is not much if any transfer of absorbed flavor.  The result is a softening or dissolving of developed bark, a retarded or halted Maillard reaction and a braised product with a steamed texture.  This is not bad, but it is different than Authentic Texas Barbeque.  Removing the foil before finishing can firm up the bark that has not dissolved and restart the Maillard reaction but the meat has still been braised.  This cannot be reversed.

Meat is seared or browned in many cooking applications.  This browned meat formed by the Maillard reaction is pure flavor and adds a lot to the party.  It becomes a condiment to the interior meat; like ketchup on fries.  On a smoked brisket, this flavor is in the bark and acts as the condiment.  We want to keep this flavor on the brisket.  Remember the liquid in the foil or boat talked about earlier.  I have read some notes on this board saying to be sure and save this liquid as it makes an unbelievable sauce.  This is good advice. You see, this contains flavor dissolved or steamed out of the bark.  To keep this concentrated flavor in the bark and on the brisket, we do not want to steam it out; we want to dry it out; dried slowly with layers of basting adding more flavoring.  This cannot be done with a foil covered brisket.  

As one of the most prize winning Q’ers of all time plainly states, “We weaned ourselves from the crutch more than a decade ago.  We like bark, and it is near impossible to get bark with the crutch.” (Paul Kirk, the Baron of Barbeque)  He is the recipient of 425 cooking awards, including champion of the American Royal Open (the largest barbecue competition in the world) and seven World Barbecue Championships. I personally think his statement goes a little too far because people do have techniques of removing foil and achieving bark but his point is noted.  Barbequed bark is different from barbeque braised bark. Bark formation is not as pronounced in a braised product and depending on foil removal and timing; it will be softer with some dissolved, especially toward the bottom.

The fact is the100 % humidity sealed micro environment created by foil wrapping or boating is very different from the adjustable lesser humidity of a water and smoke stoked Bradley.

I judge Authentic Texas Brisket against the methods used by Texas barbeque pit bosses for over 100 years (heat, smoke, and mop).  I know several pit bosses or owners including one who barbequed at the White House.  Another pit boss, a black owner, pit boss and one of the best, would give me a brisket plate when I was a busted and broke college student.  I would go in before or after the lunch crowd and hang out around his pit.  I never saw a foiled or boated brisket in his barbeque joint or any other Texas Barbeque Joint I have frequented.  I have seen a lot of barbeque joints mop their meat with jealously guarded secret mop recipes but I have never seen a pit full of foil wrapped briskets. (I have heard of one.)  With hundreds and hundreds of these joints in Texas, everyone is looking for an edge but I’ve never seen any of them use a crutch.  Keep in mind, these people are proud of their product and most know what they are doing (some have been in business for over one hundred and thirty years).  Their livelihood depends on their skills and product.  

My brisket is judged against these joints every time I serve my family or a crowd.  So, how does the Bradley brisket stand up to this stiff competition?  So far, when I announce brisket is being smoked, my dinner table is elbow to elbow full or my brisket is the first item to go at pot lucks and church dinners.  Sauce, a crutch in its own right, is used in limited quantities which is a good indication of a moist brisket.  My family doesn’t go out for brisket or ribs anymore.

A single brisket (10 to 12 lbs.) takes 12 to 15 hours. Multiple (3 or 4) Bradley briskets take 16 to 22 hours in a six rack Bradley (all in the Bradley, no oven time) and my briskets are moist, fall apart tender and totally naked without a sheet of foil in sight. Sliced brisket holds together but cuts with a fork.  The bark is dark and with just the right amount of firmness.

Some pros to NOT foiling or boating are:

I do not have to remove the brisket from the Bradley to foil wrap.
I can continue to spritz or baste as necessary or as mental therapy dictates.
The bark continues to darken and firm up which always takes place at the last for me.
The final product is an authentic Texas barbeque as opposed to a barbequed and braised product.
I can easily move my temperature probe (which I also use to judge tenderness).
I can check for fork tender without removing the foil.
I can use tongs to feel the brisket for tenderness and spring.
Moisture is retained in the meat (my experience says more than in braising).
There is one less step for my feeble mind to deal with.
The meat texture, bark and tooth all scream authentic 100% Real True Blue Texas Barbeque.

Ribs with bark.

Cross section ribs.  Juicy, tender with a little tug.

To foil or not to foil.  That is the question.

I have answered that question for myself after smoking over 150 briskets in the Bradley (a conservative number, probably over 200) and I have not a clue as the number of rib racks.  I just do not think we need to foil wrap, crutch or boat brisket, ribs (or most other cuts) during the cooking process in a Bradley or most other pits.  Eliminating the crutch makes for easier, more controlled smoking, basting, probing and checking for tenderness.  A layered and complex bark forms and true authentic barbeque is born (at least as it is known in Texas). This makes good sense to me.

I am not advocating this because I am a barbequing purist or fanatic (we are using an electric Bradley and pucks for goodness sake).  I do not think my way is the only way.  I do however, encourage you to think about the reason foiling and lapel button holes came into being and the current need for either.  Consider the science taking place during smoking and what is happening to the meat.  Understand what you are doing with foil and do not blindly wrap your briskets or other meats in a blanket or sail them in a boat in the kitchen oven unless you are intent on braising and you know its ramifications.  Learn how to use your smoker, heat, wood , mop and moisture and there will be no reason to foil and braise.

Experiment with two briskets or rib racks and see which you prefer.  Smoke them at the same time if possible. If you like the taste of True Authentic Texas Barbeque, you will find that NOT foiling will translate to a lot of other meats that you are currently wrapping and braising at some point of the cooking process (ribs, loins, butts, chicken, etc).   If you enjoy the taste and texture of a combination barbeque braised product better, then by all means, foil the meat and continue to cook in that manner.  A bonus is that you will have a Texan to cuss for a few days.  You may even end up calling me a “crazy old baster.”

I, however, will still prefer to stand by my Bradley and smoke totally naked.

See you around the pit. Good luck and slow smoking.

Pachanga

For other ramblings and my method of picking, trimming, seasoning and Q’ing Authentic Texas barbequed smoked brisket, go to the recipe for Brisket Pachanga at the quality site Olds and Habanero (and I am sure others) work so hard and well to produce.  Their efforts should be applauded loudly.

http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?t=532    

I describe smoking multiple briskets in the above recipe but it works just as well on one brisket.  The time however is greatly compressed; taking 12 to 15 hours and the temperature rise is much faster.  Keep the temperature low on one brisket if starting late in the evening and raise it the next morning and you will have a good nights sleep.

Other recent posts which are applicable are:

Authentic Texas Barbequed Brisket

http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=12061.0

Mustard Slathers on Brisket and Other Meats

http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=12112.0

So your brisket doesn't fit - solution here
http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=13080.0

How do you make burnt ends?
http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=14065.0

To Mop or Not to Mop – That is the Question
http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=14240.0

Calling All Mop Recipes
http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=14446.0





« Last Edit: June 23, 2010, 11:07:54 am by Pachanga »

Offline Tenpoint5

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2009, 11:15:36 am »
As for the application of the "Texas Crutch" in this environment, I will have to continue with the utilization of the K.I.S.S principle. For those that do not know that principle it is this " Keep It Simple Stupid". The majority of folks that come to our forum are New Bradley owners. They are looking for ways to create really good smoked food in the easiest way possible. With the least amount of a learning curve as possible. The utilization of the Texas Crutch enables them to accomplish this. It also enables them to build the self confidence to explore other methods and styles of smoking meat. If we make things sound or seem way more complicated than they really are. We are defeating the purpose and Backbone of this forum. Which is being as helpful as we can and making the reality of them creating really good smoked food in the easiest way possible as soon as possible.
This is my goal as a senior member of this forum. Making the use, of the investment into, a Bradley Smoker as enjoyable as possible, as easy as possible and as soon as possible for every new member.

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2009, 11:33:10 am »
Good point 10.5.  I always keep it as simple as possible. For brisket, I simply coat with Olive Oil, add salt, pepper, garlic, and onion then smoke until the temp I want. With beef I generally do not get into all the other spices. I like it to have a more natural beef flavor.  Sometimes I even leave the pepper, garlic and onion off. I also do not boat as a general rule. Everyone always raves over my finished products.
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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 01:27:42 pm »
I grew up in Texas...I really don't care if people foil or not.  BBQ is all about good food, good beer and good friends.  It's about sitting around, telling lies, and having fun.

The Bradley makes that easier.  Foiling or not is akin to putting mustard on a brisket...If that's what you want to do, do it.

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2009, 01:33:26 pm »
Tenpoint,

I think throwing your meat choice into a Bradley, smoking it as long as wanted, and pulling it when it is ready is the definition of KISS. Foiling adds a step or two. One of my main points is the Bradley makes barbequing easy with consistent results.  It is not quite set it and forget it but it is close.

I applaud your goal to help new members, I have done the same. They seem to be happy with the results.

I believe in posting to get people to explore other methods and styles of smoking meat as you also promote.  That is another reason for my post. I believe in educating people so they can experiment with confidence.  By posting the science and history behind smoking, people can better understand the process and what is happening in the smoker.  This makes for a better informed smoker and a better chef.  I enjoy getting people to think.  That may be complicated to some but for others it is a positive experience.  

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If we make things sound or seem way more complicated than they really are. We are defeating the purpose and Backbone of this forum. Which is being as helpful as we can and making the reality of them creating really good smoked food in the easiest way possible as soon as possible.

I would take issue that the only purpose of the board is to educate new Bradley owners and only KISS posts are wanted or needed.  If that is accurate, we need to pull several sections of posting.  I’ve learned how to smoke salmon from Kummok (over 42,000 hits) and how to make Canadian bacon from Habanero Smoker.  I consider these two methods advanced.  The amount of people who have helped me in the Bradley Endeavors are too numerous to name and many did not even know that I read and digested their posts. I have yet to try nearly all of the new items and techniques but I am happy to have the advanced information from people I trust and respect.  The Recipes from the Bradley Forum site has some pretty complicated material mixed in with a ton of information.  

The information posted on the PIDs and fans sounds pretty complicated to me.  Other gizmos and contraptions I’ve seen posted here are not for the faint of heart.

The fact is this board is a mixture of information from some highly educated smokers.  Some is simple, some is difficult.  All of it is good.  The backbone of this board is good, intelligent people combining their years of experience in an effort to assist in and promote smoking from A to Z in the Bradley for new comers and old hands.

Good luck and slow smoking,

Pachanga

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 01:41:47 pm »
KyNola,

Thank you for your reply.  I was certainly not trying to come across that I have the only recipe for smoking and thought I clarified that.  I am presenting another view, not the only view.  Intentions really do not matter, however, it is how one is perceived.

That said, I apologize to  you and anyone who is offended by my posts.  My writing style may not be well received on this board.

I'm not cussing you KyNola.  I appreciate your honesty and the thought you placed in your response. 

Good luck and slow smoking,

Pachanga

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 01:57:13 pm »
Ok porn boy!  You know your tag line is the only reason why you got so many hits on your post! ;D

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 02:05:31 pm »
JGW,

Thank you for reading my post.  I am in total agreement with you.  I'll drink to that.

Good Luck and slow smoking.

Pachanga

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 03:53:55 pm »
I'm a newbie here so I thought to take a stab here......

First off reading thru allot of post here of what you all do to prepare, to rub or marinate then rub however you do it is " Authentic " IMO....
I'm not from Texas but I have been cooking for 18 years and have pick up allot of different styles of smoking and BBQ meat of all kinds and learning from the best of them with there tips and tricks of cooking,smoking and Q'ing and when I say the best of them I mean people that i have met in the smoking business in various states I have lived in that have been doing it along time and raves that people give them for there food that they make. I agree meat can and will dry if you don't use some kind of basting(moping) or spritzing it, I have always used vinegar and butter with some spices to keeps the meat moist but we all have are method's to achieve this....Then i met my wife who is from Bosnia and  was a chef in Germany and a whole new menu came into the household I learned some other methods with her as well. Smoking with the Bradley is new to me not smoking in general its nice when you can control the temp in a cooking setting one that is not easy to control when i cook with wood or charcoal which needs much more monitoring. Like i posted in my 1st attempt thread after tasting my pulled pork truly amazed me i haven't tried the the brisket yet..

JGW wrote: I grew up in Texas...I really don't care if people foil or not.  BBQ is all about good food, good beer and good friends.  It's about sitting around, telling lies, and having fun.

To me that says it all....as with all cooks all good things come with time and knowledge its also nice to come here and learn new idea's from you all and I'm sure I will gain some knowledge from you all in the month's to come you guy's and gal's(if there are some in here not to leave you out) have a great forum with my eye's bulging from all the reading of the past post and new ones coming in  ::)
I also like to watch triple D's on the food network especially when they have the BBQ show's to see what they rant about too.

Keep the threads coming and the smoke-smoking

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 04:23:10 pm »
KyNola,

I wish to further reply to your fine response.  In particular, the news flash.  I am sure that Bradley was not trying to build a smoker to make Authentic Texas Barbeque.  If they had intended to barbeque brisket, it would have been a little wider. However, I would be surprised if they are dissatisfied that it does.  I am posting in part to extol its virtues in this area.  I was very surprised at its capabilities.  I would think the Bradley users would want to increase the users by publishing its many possibilities.

I personally love to understand regional cooking techniques and would thank you for any information you might post or have posted concerning your regional methods or point me in the right direction for research.  As you state, some of the best barbeque comes from “NC, KS, TN, VA and yes Kentucky, not to mention from many different countries in the world.”  That is the reason I defined the cooking method; I did not want to encompass in my writings any other regions of which I am not familiar.  I enjoy learning new techniques and procedures from locals.  I am not nearly as familiar as I would like to be with the above mentioned areas but I look forward to posts defining the differences of their Q.  Regional definitions of Q would be interesting. Maybe there are others like me who enjoy regional cooking styles and their history.

As far as the definition of Authentic Texas Barbeque, I will be happy to consider any corrections.  Some people may not care where a particular style comes from but some like to be educated on the process and its history and add it to their knowledge base.

Forever a student,

Pachanga

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 04:26:09 pm »
rdav01,

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Then i met my wife who is from Bosnia and  was a chef in Germany and a whole new menu came into the household

Don't be holding out on us.  Give us some of that worldly cooking knowledge.  Post it up, bud.

Good luck and slow smoking,

Pachanga

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 06:50:05 pm »
I too have cooked 100's of briskets and I spent my first 42 years in Texas until I transfered to Louisiana. I never foiled them while cooking them when living in Texas, I just moved them around in the big azz pit to keep them at the right spot for heat and mopped them to keep them moist until they were done. However, since
I started competing, and since I like sleeping at night, I have boated them ever since. By the way, I have never cooked one on the Bradley. Yet.

I just happen to have a 14lb packer all ready for this weekend. My first for the Bradley. I'm looking forward to letting one go naked, with mop and water pan, to see how they compare.

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 07:14:19 pm »
IMHO I don't think authentic is a good term to use for Q'ing. There are way to many variables and opinions involved. Who is right and who is wrong? I don't think any one is. The bottom line is that you love the results of your smoke and so do your guests.

I grew up in Texas...I really don't care if people foil or not.  BBQ is all about good food, good beer and good friends.  It's about sitting around, telling lies, and having fun.

The Bradley makes that easier.  Foiling or not is akin to putting mustard on a brisket...If that's what you want to do, do it.

JGW said it all!
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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 07:37:52 pm »
Dang Pachanga your a piece of work!  Ky, you have nothing to apologize for!  Pachanga I posted in your last thread (rant) about the mustard slather, and later deleted it, because I'm not that shallow or arrogant...but geez.  To read your threads all of us are wrong, and by heck or high water your's are right!  I've never knocked your technique, nor anyones and never will....But once again to say yours is "Authentic" is a stretch....You remind me of one of my neighbors that know friggin everything, and wants to make sure I know it to!  Anyway foil, not to foil....use mustard, not to use mustard...simple spice, or lots of spice....this kind of wood, or that kind of wood....Geez, once again get off your high horse!  Ok soapbox away (but if ya want to debate, lets do it, I hate people that think they have ALL the facts!!!!!!)

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Re: I Prefer to Smoke Totally Naked - A Brisket and Ribs Manifesto
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 08:03:28 pm »
Pachanga - you obviously have some vast knowledge (as many on here do), but ya gotta admit, your delivery leaves a lot to be desired. I welcome seeing your methods as a comparison with potential expansion of knowledge, but you really should avoid coming across as a know it all and only you are right. Throw your methods out there for others to try, but don't lecture in a manner that belittles everyone else.
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