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Title: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on September 30, 2004, 09:11:43 PM
Hungry......?
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Post by: nsxbill on September 30, 2004, 09:30:26 PM
Here is a site to post up pictures.  It is free.  http://photobucket.com/

Regards,

Bill
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Post by: Chez Bubba on October 01, 2004, 04:03:37 AM
Let's see. C'mon, c'mon please![8D]

http://www.chezbubba.com
Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Bassman on October 03, 2004, 09:43:41 PM
c'mon don't be shy[:)]

<i><font color="blue"><b>Jack</i></font id="blue"></b>
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on October 05, 2004, 04:18:34 AM
Chompin at the bits and rarin 2 go.........

and then my hot water tank exploded in my rv glad the laptop was on my lap and not the floor.
anyway goin to campin world and will get it on in a few days.
[:)]
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Post by: Oldman on October 05, 2004, 05:07:22 AM
If you need to post a few pics you can send then to me. I will host it for you. Send the highest quality ones you have. I have editing software.  

([email protected])  No (  ) of course.
Olds
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on October 06, 2004, 07:37:34 PM
thank u check yer mail hope these are good enogh my camer is not with me to take more
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Post by: mrdennisg on October 07, 2004, 01:22:09 AM
(http://img28.exs.cx/img28/2954/MVC-341F.th.jpg)

well I have a lot of images but my a drive is shot and they are all on flopy. I have a elect, element in the bottom and will be mounting a control panel on the top with a plug-in for the smoke generator.
I salvaged a home amana range, using the thermostat and sensor, and element.

Also will be insulating the whole unit with insulation I bought for an oven. The outside will be skinned with metal which will be painted black. front door is insulated and is stainless.
my inspiration

(http://img47.exs.cx/img47/2453/41835.th.jpg) (http://img47.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img47&image=41835.jpg)
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Post by: Oldman on October 07, 2004, 01:48:54 AM
Got your pictures. Any time you need to have some hosted just sending them by way. I've edited them so they will load faster for dialups and yet the quality is still there. Both total only 47KB! (I did have to lighten' up the front one a little. If I had any more it would have looked washed out.)

(http://www.dow-mgc.org/Rayeimages/bradley/homadefront.jpg)

(http://www.dow-mgc.org/Rayeimages/bradley/homadeside.jpg)

I was talking with a friend a while back (he is now in Iraq [:(] ) about doing one with a used food warmer.  With the Bradley generator it is a win, win!
Olds
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on October 07, 2004, 02:04:06 AM
WOW thanks a lot for hosting these as u can see mine were a bit small [:)][:)]If i get the others up loaded you can see all I have left is the skin and insulation

Sure hope someone could give me any advice you have for the chimmney.
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Post by: Oldman on October 07, 2004, 02:27:28 AM
There are a few way you could make a  smoker's vent--damper. However, I believe the best way is to go to yard sales. Look for a small beat up grill (like a webber style) and purchase it for the vent on its top.  

Or better yet, I bet Chez ole boy could order you in the stainless steel that is used on the Bradley.  Here is his E-mail address ([email protected]) give him a shout.
Olds
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on October 07, 2004, 03:00:06 AM
What would be a good way to put an actual chimmney off the side that will extend up a foot above top of unit?
The reason I ask is I need to add an extension to extend the smoke up above the motorhome when I am at the beach.[:I]
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Post by: MallardWacker on October 07, 2004, 03:01:51 PM
This may sound crazy, if you want a side vent, you might want to order just the generator "side plate" for the oposite top side and rig you up a vent with that.  Looks like it be nice, matching and clean looking.  If you want to find out what will happen if you don't put in a vent, go to the <font color="red"><s>cookshack</s></font id="red"> forum and do a search "black goo" "black goop" "black stuff" and "rubbery chicken".  Not good.  No joke.

SmokeOn,

mski
Perryville, Arkansas
Wooo-Pig-Soooie

If a man says he knows anything at all, he knows nothing what he aught to know.  But...

Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Oldman on October 07, 2004, 03:18:24 PM
You could use a stove pipe that is block at the top and use the side flu. I did it that way once. You can set the side flu to allow as much or as little some out as you care to.
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Post by: whitetailfan on October 07, 2004, 04:22:14 PM
Why are you guys recommending side discharge vents/side flus over a chimney or vent on the top?

<b><font color="green">whitetailfan</font id="green"></b>
"Nice Rack"
Lethbridge, AB
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: MallardWacker on October 07, 2004, 04:35:27 PM
White,

I think a top vent would be prefrable.  I just notice that he said something about a side vent and that S/S plate looked good for a clean instal.  With a top vent I would think you would get less moisture build up in the top of smoker and less likely to have black droppings on you product.

SmokeOn,

mski
Perryville, Arkansas
Wooo-Pig-Soooie

If a man says he knows anything at all, he knows nothing what he aught to know.  But...

Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on October 07, 2004, 06:23:25 PM
Thanks for all the info[:)]
 as far as having flue on side, I guess the top will be better. so on the top center or right,left?  Does it matter? Size? 1" 2"? I do need to be able to extend it
when needed 3 ft. up. look at the above image and you see the image I am using as a guide. All my elect. will be in the same place as that one. I may have messed up already. Yesterday I installed the heating element from the oven I salvaged ( top broiler unit) it is now neatly mounted on the bottom. I believe it used 220 and not 110!!!
 It heats up nicely .but will it get hot enough? will it use too much electricity? [:I][B)]
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: BigRed on October 07, 2004, 08:37:27 PM
Frist I am not a electrican but I have been told there is a way of split 220 to 110 which would save your burner. You might want to talk to someone about it.

BigRED
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on October 18, 2004, 06:21:40 AM
Well ........[:D]

I installed a heating element just like the BS ,just larger and hotter. Built a control panel, mounted it on the left side at top.
Panel contains thermostat controler, heat and smoke selector, (heat, heat and smoke, or just smoke), led lights to inform me if power is on and what I selected, master power switch and fuse panel. I even put a tip over switch ; if unit is not level or falls over shuts off all power.
Still havent installed a chimney as yet still working on design. Panel even has room for my DSI gas control circut board so when I add gas to it.(got it from my broken gas hot water tank)[B)]

Pictures will be up in a few days[:I]
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on October 22, 2004, 09:41:32 PM
I may be slow but when I am done it will be worth it.

Sorry no pictures yet no camera.
I designed a smoke stack from a 2" piece of threaded conduit 6 " tall, threaded it into a plate used to atach conduit to an electrical panel, picked it up from home depot.

Drilled a hole through both sides , used a throttle plate (buterfly valve) from a Volvo carburator[:)] Now I can control how much smoke/heat exits smoker.
<font color="red">Should stack be mounted in the top,back,center or off to the side???</font id="red">

Had to redesign the heating element. I used the complete electric heater (removed all plastic)took the metal casing to my local machine shop and they put it in there acid bath to remove all the paint. It looks like new metal.
<font color="red">Can it be painted with high heat paint and safely be used ???</font id="red">
 fit's perfect. Apliance wire cost me
1.80 a ft., still using controls from stove....

 It will be easy to clean planning on a drip pan that covers the entire bottom.

Basic design is like the Cookshack above.

<font color="red">As far as the door goes ,,any sugestions on how to seal it?/ and how to latch it ?</font id="red">

Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Chez Bubba on October 23, 2004, 01:54:04 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mrdennisg</i>
<br />used a throttle plate (buterfly valve) from a Volvo carburator<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Well, from the pictures you've shown us, it certainly has Volvo styling so that would be appropriate.[:D][:D]

http://www.chezbubba.com
Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 01, 2004, 06:20:55 AM
http://photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: MallardWacker on November 01, 2004, 01:56:42 PM
Most excelent, lots of room.

SmokeOn,

mski
Perryville, Arkansas
Wooo-Pig-Soooie

If a man says he knows anything at all, he knows nothing what he aught to know.  But...

Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Fuzzybear on November 01, 2004, 02:35:10 PM
The ingenuity and imagination of people on this site is absolutely astonishing, amazing and outstanding!

"A mans got to know his limitations"
Chattaroy, WA - USA!
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 01, 2004, 06:22:14 PM
(http://www.dow-mgc.org/Rayeimages/foods/MVC-350Fa.jpg)
 

(http://www.dow-mgc.org/Rayeimages/foods/MVC-352Fa.jpg)


The heating element and door seal are being installed today
I am using a self stick fibrglass style seal for the door the stuff u seal a glass pane on a woodstove. Hope it works. The chimney is an ongoing project tried a few styles. I could go with a 2" stack with a damper couldn't I????

Still have to install insulation and outside covering.

Will try it out for the first time this weekend, checking for any leaks and put initial smoke on walls for cure.

The one in the image ("which Olds posted for me Thank u very much")
is just a loaner from our generator. This one below is what I am trying
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/MVC-353F.jpg)
It is a 2" conduit and I used a throttle plate from a carburator Hope it works as well.

I am rely hungry right now. Back to work............[:)]
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 01, 2004, 06:27:33 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Fuzzybear</i>
<br />The ingenuity and imagination of people on this site is absolutely astonishing, amazing and outstanding!

"A mans got to know his limitations"
Chattaroy, WA - USA!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I'm sorry were we supposed to have limitations here  ;)
[:D]
 My wife said: "Since we are Nascar fans, u better use a Chevy carburator throttle plate and when it is done we have to paint flames on the side .

"I love that Lady"
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Post by: MallardWacker on November 02, 2004, 01:27:41 PM
Man looks great.  This is my .017 cents worth here.  One of the greatest things about the BS is the V-shaped pan in the bottom.  This defuses the smoke AND is a GREAT catch tray for drippings.  Not only does it protect the heat sorce from getting dripped on it funnels the grease and stuff into a bowl.  To me this is another reason that sets the BS apart from the others.  If there is a way to do the same with your rig, I thing it would really improve the over all performance.

Please don't tell me you are <i><b><font color="blue">JEFF GORDON FAN</font id="blue"></b></i>[xx(].  All kidding a side I wish MARTIN would when the cup.  Being from Arkasas and such, he is still my favorite.

SmokeOn,

mski
Perryville, Arkansas
Wooo-Pig-Soooie

If a man says he knows anything at all, he knows nothing what he aught to know.  But...

Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 02, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
could u post an image or a drawing of the tray so I can make sure I get it right .  Sounds like a good plan.
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: nsxbill on November 02, 2004, 06:00:00 PM
You can see the v-shaped tray at the bottom of the smoker.

http://www.bradleysmoker.com/index.htm

They don't have the water pan in the picture because it wouldn't look as pretty, but it is v-shaped and has a hole in the center to drip into water pan...the same pan that sits under the smoke generator that the bisquettes drop into.

Bill
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Post by: Smalls on November 02, 2004, 08:16:56 PM
The V shaped tray has slots in it to diffuse the heat and smoke.  The slots are cut in a way that prevents any liquid dripping from the meat from entering the slots and dripping onto the heating element.  The liquid is all channelled into the bowl through the single hole in the center of the V.     /
                         /
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Post by: mrdennisg on November 05, 2004, 10:58:21 PM
OK here's another ???

How do you figure the size of the heating element? I am wondering if my single 750watt calrod element will be enough for this monster!!!

I can easily add another element, but is it worth it?

"Inside cubit ft. devided by the total heat output....  blah, blah, blah I have no idea what I am talking about when it comes to this part.[?]


<font color="red"><font size="4">Oh by the way</font id="size4"></font id="red">
I decided to use the throttle body injection housing from our Chrysler "Eagle Talon" engine. car no longer runs but it made a noble sacrifice!![8D]
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 11, 2004, 03:15:15 AM
Heating element installed and wired in. Thanks to DoW-Oldman
who reminded me of the definition of kiln:  I lind the bottom with 4"x91/2" kiln bricks, hoping this will keep my heat stable. still need to calculate the vent: where to install, how many to install, how to install for a double wall with insulation. As far as the drip shield looking at designing one to channel all drippings outside to a pan on the bottom. Still pushing for this Thanksgiving....hope I make it
[^][^][^]
<font size="5">If anyone has any input it would be very much apreciated</font id="size5">

Name my Smoker!!!!
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Post by: Oldman on November 11, 2004, 10:38:51 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If anyone has any input it would be very much appreciated<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Well you should never ask for input and have me read your request~~! LOL!

Ok I went back and looked again at your pictures. Your box looks like an older style  bread proofer or food holding box. I base this thought line on the kind of latch it has to close the door. The walls look like they are double so insulation in that area should not be a problem.  One small side thought is that stainless steel does not transmit heat evenly.  This is why on your upper scale stainless steel cookware (pots/ pans) they all  have an aluminum footing. This allows the heat from the source to transfer evenly through the stainless steel.  With that said, have you thought about some sort of  "forced-air" convection heating unit, or a way to move the air around inside the box?  With a box as big as yours air circulation is a MUST  add-on to insure that your single source of heat is applied evenly.

For example, let's say you have 8-10 trays smoking.  Without air circulation you are going to have to open that box up and rotate every hour or so or the out come is not going to be good.  If you don't add air circulation then you got to factor in your recovery time. The time it take to rotate 8-10 trays is going to kill a box of 200 degrees F to about 100-110 degrees F.  Recovery now becomes a major factor. With all of this said and done you can see why you must have a way to move the air inside a box as big as yours. Don't fool yourself into thinking that without air flow racks 1 through 6 of 8 are going to get any heat. Think of radiant energy as water on the floor. Place a paper towel against it and it gets wet first at the edge and does not get wet in the back until the edge can hold no more water. Given how much smaller the Bradley unit is when compared to yours, I do hope you understand that we all rotate our foods when smoking a few heavier items.

Now on today's highly  insulated units to get to a maximum temperature of 200 degree F in a box the size of yours it takes at least an 1100 watt unit (about 10.0 amps.)  So your 750 watts is a no-go! Plus the above example is for a holding box were you place in items that are already hot.  This is why you cannot open your box to rotate. To find the approximate amperage of electrical devices use the Ohms Law formula, Amps = Watts divided by Volts. Example:  A 1,200 watt device at 120 volts would be 10 amps.  Next, I take it the reason you want a box this big is so you can smoke a lot of food at one time. It is one thing to smoke a box full of jerky, it is entirely another to smoke 12 boston butts.

I have purchased, made or stolen  just about every kind of smoker that is out there, and I've  worked food service in my youth so I have an understanding as to this type of box.  If I was building this unit and all I had to work with was 120 volts then I would make sure to max-out the amps to 19. Or frankly I don't think it will get hot enough when under a full load of foods. There are several posting here concerning attaining the higher end temperature with the Bradley unit. I suspect these are from folks in cooler climates than mine. Some of the solution to this problem is don't open the box!
Your box looks like it has 3 1/2 to 4 times the capacity of the Bradley, and as such you are going to have to address amps and air flow or you may very well find that that under a full load of heavy meats you have more box than power. (The Brandly heating unit is 500 watts, or 4.16 amps.)

Next the smoking generator uses 125 watts or about 1.5 amps. That leaves 17.5 amps to heat the box and move the air.  Furthermore, I would use a forced air heating system with a washable filter to capture the oils from the smoke so they would not contaminate the heating system, rather than radiant heat with a fan.

Frankly, I have given thought to building a box like yours. However, if I did not make it 220 volts I would consider using a forced gas air unit to heat the box. Using 19 amps for 8-16 hours is going to push the breaker and your wiring better be at least ten gauge. I'm not saying it cannot be done on a 120 volts system. What I'm saying is what I said before: Under a full load you may find you have more box than power.

Anywho, these are my thoughts concerning this type of unit. Don't you wish you had not asked LOL [:D]
Olds
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: MallardWacker on November 11, 2004, 02:12:38 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by DoW-Oldman</i>
<br /><b><font color="blue"><i><font size="2">I have purchased, made or stolen just about every kind of smoker that is out there,</font id="size2"> </i></font id="blue"></b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

That's what happens to a hard core smoker that is addicted to epicurean odors of smoldering wood mingled with essence of meat.  I know how it starts.  First you find yourself hanging around your "friends" that have smokers then you take the slippery slope in buying your own.  Then you start with <font color="orange">[8)]Hickory</font id="orange"> then you progress to <font color="red">"the [}:)]Devil's wood" </font id="red">Mesquite.  The addiction is then complete.  That's why I bought my Bradley, it is my <font color="blue"> <b>"BONG of choice"</b> </font id="blue">[:p] .  



MD,

These are my thoughts; I believe Olds is correct about wattage used. BUT, I would try a trial run just to see what kind of temp you can get and maintain.  When you are up to heat open the door up several times over a short period and see what kind of recovery you have.  It's kind of like the Bradley, there are some days I wish I could have a couple more hundred watts or so.  This may be the same with your unit.  When you start reaching the marks of 19amps, there plenty of household breakers that will trip at that and you will have to adjust for that.  Maybe you can find a happy median somewhere


SmokeOn,

mski
Perryville, Arkansas
Wooo-Pig-Soooie

If a man says he knows anything at all, he knows nothing what he aught to know.  But...

Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 12, 2004, 12:18:14 AM
<font color="red">quote:</font id="red">This allows the heat from the source to transfer evenly through the stainless steel. With that said, have you thought about some sort of "forced-air" convection heating unit, or a way to move the air around inside the box? With a box as big as yours air circulation is a MUST add-on to insure that your single source of heat is applied evenly.

Ok I bought a new convection oven fan. Sales guy said to install it above the heating element. Will this interfere with the smoke generator blowing at it like that ??


<font color="red">quote:</font id="red">
BUT, I would try a trial run just to see what kind of temp you can get and maintain.

I am trying the heating element I have now and have another twice as powerful on standby so this is just a test

Thanks for all the input

Name my Smoker!!!!
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Oldman on November 12, 2004, 04:27:22 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Ok I bought a new convection oven fan. Sales guy said to install it above the heating element. Will this interfere with the smoke generator blowing at it like that ??
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This is an excellent question.  Yes I believe if the air is blowing on the generator it will cool the burner, and that is not good. Most convection oven fans move a lot of air--if commercial. Can you send to me a picture of the fan you purchased or post one here. Next how many cubic feet of air  does it move per minute (CFM)?  I would also like to see your heating element as you have it installed now.

I don't believe protecting the generator from overly cooling is a big a problem. There are a couple of options you can try. One is to block any air flow from hitting the bottom of the generator. Or reverse mount the fan at the bottom so the air is blowing down on the heating element. At that point the flow would become somewhat passive moving the air up all four sides of your box.  However, without knowing what your unit looks like or its CFM I really cannot offer more help at this time.

Now if you really want to get fancy about all of this you can almost balance the air flow, heat and smoke to each rack! Yepper this can be done if the there is enough CFM, but not so much as to cool the generator--if there is too much air then you would shield generator. Personally I would shield it anyway.

Here is how I would balance it all out. Take width of one of the sides and divide than number by the number of racks you will be using.  

Let's say your unit is 42 inches wide, and the maximum number of racks you are going to be using is 8. 42 / 8 = 5.25. This number is then the size of the air flow diffuser you would make and install for each rack. I would make mine out of 1/8" aluminum. The total would be 2 inches by 5.25 inches. I would take the narrow side (2") and  bend this piece to a 45 degree angle. Take this flange and pop rivet to the side of your box. This would direct some of the air coming up the wall into each rack's area.  I would do this on all sides of the box. Next I would stager them so each flange received direct air flow and was not block by a lower flange.

Now I don't draw stick people too good, but below is an illustration of what I'm talking about.
(http://www.dow-mgc.org/Rayeimages/foods/flange.png)

The more you can balance the box the less you have to open it for rotation.

If I ever build another box all that I have suggested here I would do; plus my door would be triple glass so I could eye-ball the foods.  As I said if it is out there I have either purchased it, made it or stole it~~!

Given what you have made todate I'm sure the fix concerning the generator is doable for you.

 <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">BUT, I would try a trial run just to see what kind of temp you can get and maintain.

I am trying the heating element I have now and have another twice as powerful on standby so this is just a test <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

When you do your testing have your racks in and several bowls of water on them. This will slow you down with you rotate your racks as the idea is not to spill the water. Also the water will require calories of energy as they heat up. This will give you a better yard stick to measure your recovery time.

 <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Thanks for all the input<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I'm sure I can speak for all here when saying you are welcome. I also believe we all wished we lived close enough together so we all could lay our hands on this project. [:D]

Olds
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 12, 2004, 06:58:51 PM
Excelent idea about the flange directing the heat. Wife and I were just talking about using a deflector of some kind.

I am going to upload the rest of the pictures today in about 4 hours. (goin fishin)

Good idea about the glass door just can't aford it this year.
maybe I could put a peep hole like my front door has and a light in there [:o)] talk about eyballin the food ouch.......lol

It seems this is not just my project anymore but "ours"

<center>Short story:</center>
The reason I got started on this project was because of a sweet little lady by the name of Lea 87 years young. My wife and I visit her all the time one day she said she wanted to buy me a smoker so I could smoke her some smelt ; we live on the coulitz river where smelt are in abundance. I found this proof box my niebor was using as a smoker for salmon with a burner and pan in the bottom. Well I traded a generator for the box bought a smoke generator and began. Then checking my mail one day I decided to walk over across the street and introduce myself to the elderly gentalman 85 years young , who I learned his wife passed away a year earlier, he just sits in the garage alone all the time. our conversation turned to smoking, told him about Lea who is single also, he asked if I had any
"fish stakes" are they frozen? I asked (duh). He began to school me on smoking smelt gave me his smelt stakes which are 2x2's with a row  little nails sticking out at a 45 degree angle for hanging smelt.

Don said I need a lot of help and since I have no idea what a fish stake was he will help me.
Now Don and Lea are getting a smoker built for them.
(and I thought it was mine...)
So that is how It got started and I introduced them and man what a cute couple now we all have something in common.

Thanks for reading this


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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 13, 2004, 12:51:28 AM
[:)](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/MVC-375F.jpg)

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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Oldman on November 13, 2004, 02:33:18 AM
Thanks for the update on the photos.

Now I have a much better idea of as to where you are going with this now. Me Bad as I misunderstood your type of heating system. It looks as if the fan when installed above the heating element will not interfere with the generator. Plus the generator is somewhat shielded already at that angle.

I cannot make out the second picture and where it goes. From one point it looks like an out side cover for the motor as I can see the controls. However, at the bottom right of the picture it looks like this is a picture of two items. Please advise.

I really like the bricks. Here is a idea for heating them quickly. When possible heat them in your oven first.
Olds
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Post by: mrdennisg on November 13, 2004, 03:48:41 AM
Sorry , i forgot to say what was what.

Second picture is back of unit showing confection fan.
fan is above the heating unit. I plan on putting a shield on the inside to direct heat up and not just straight to the door.

Bricks are to keep the heat stable. Remember I still have to install the insulation.

The other picture is of my backup heating unit 2 calrods totaling 1500 watt. Still just going to try the single first, second will be easy to change.

Looks like I will have to change to racks want to use slide out racks.


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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Oldman on November 13, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
What I'm still at a loss is what is this and where is it going to be installed? Is this an outside cover that goes over the fan motor shown in the third picture?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/MVC-378S.jpg)

 <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
Second picture is back of unit showing confection fan.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Is this not the third picture that is the back of the unit showing the confection fan motor, or am I really lost here?

 <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Remember I still have to install the insulation.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> I just looked back at those large pictures you e-mailed to me and realized this is a single wall box.
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 13, 2004, 05:14:27 PM
let's start over. The picture u show is my home heater or as i said "my back up unit" which i said i may use if my single element unit is too small. the other is the back of my smoker showing the installed convection fan.
As far as it being a single wall smoker, I have yet to put on the outside skin and the insulation. I just want to make sure all the design and riveting is finished.

Thanks for the sugestion for the deflectors for heat. Since the fan will be on the back wall above the heat unit...I was thinking of directing the fan up , so should i put the deflectors on the back wall above the fan. I have the design for the drip tray in the shop will pick it up and show a picture of it .I think it will work great in directing the smoke and directing drippings to tray. Sorry about the size of the pictures , had my camera set wrong.

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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Oldman on November 13, 2004, 07:21:44 PM
OK now I understand.... looking forward to your finished item... [:I]
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Post by: mrdennisg on November 19, 2004, 10:28:39 PM
Almost there I found a good look for the sideing:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/MVC-380S.jpg)

Hope I am on the right track for the drip shield? The holes arent drilled yet and hope to put a drip shield on the back wall by tonight to protect the new heating element.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/MVC-381S.jpg)

Here's a look at the back side of the heating element convection fan will go in above the element
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/MVC-383S.jpg)

Hope i am on the right track [?][?]

Looks like I may be smokin by Christmas or sooner.......

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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: nsxbill on November 25, 2004, 04:21:38 PM
Why don't you call it "DQ."  Short for Dennis BBQ, or twist on words for "The BBQ."  

I have enjoyed watching your progress.  What kind of seal are you using for doors?  Considered a bracket to slide in to allow hanging meat while smoking...Sausage rack or Hook assembly to hang meat instead of using shelves?  I have a small setup in my BS that allows skewers or hooks...very nice when you don't have to clean the shelves!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Bill
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Post by: mrdennisg on November 25, 2004, 11:05:42 PM
That is the best one yet ...oh wait a minute this is the only one. lol.
and since my wifes name begins with a B. "DBQ" sounds great thanks.

Do you have any ideas about the door seal and the latch?
These two have given me problems.[|)]



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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: nsxbill on November 25, 2004, 11:11:51 PM
When I worked metal trades as a sheetmetal worker around 1964, we used to fabricate a locking latch for cabinets that looks like it would work in this application but I suspect it would get pretty hot.  You might want to look at the rope seal used on pellet stoves.  It was a pin that had eccentric on a rotating shaft that was recessed into the front of the cabinet door.  Just rotate the handle to drive pin into door jam to hold in place.

No other suggestions, except magnetic seal like Bradley.

Bill
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 26, 2004, 02:15:42 AM
Been searching all day and found this site that has gaskets for ovenshttp://www.alkar.com/$spindb.query.listall2z.alkar.07 just not magnetic. Do u know where I could find a magnet seal that would work?
Would one for a fridge work?[?]

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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Oldman on November 26, 2004, 03:41:34 PM
On this site http://www.labdepotinc.com/product_details~id~99~pid~12543.aspx they sell Mechanical Convection Lab Ovens. The seal they use is:   <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Magnetic door seal features white silicone rubber door gasket. Provides excellent door-to-chamber seal
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I knew that silicone would handle the heat, but I was not sure it you could get it in a magnetic seal.

Next this site might give you an idea of latches and hinges: http://rhsc.net/

They also offer magnetic seals. This is a PDF of their magnetic gasket. They custom make them. I could not find out if it is silicone based, however, there are several 1-800 # on this page.  http://rhsc.net/pdf_files/magnetic_gaskets.pdf

Olds



http://rminor.com
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on November 29, 2004, 10:20:16 PM
Just called Refrigeration Hardware Supply Corporation, West Coast Sales and Warehouse 9021 Norris Ave., Sun Valley, CA 91352
Phone: (800) 537-8300 • Fax: (800) 833-3515
at the link above and they sell magnetic silicone door seals for temps up to 550 deg.f. 10, 20 ,and 50 ft. lengths
10 ft   ??
20 ft. $88.00
50 ft. $178.00
 no corners and they do not cut corners. Corners are going to be easy just cut at 45* and  seal with 500 deg. clear silicone .
Hard part is going to convince my wife I am going to spend another 100$ on my so called Birthday/Christmas present.

Wish me luck[:D]

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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on December 09, 2004, 11:18:12 PM
<font color="maroon">where would I put my convection fan in this thing high or low?
would anyone have any idea on this?</font id="maroon">

I have the insulation in and the control panel is being wired.
I built a box for the fan so i can have the back vented to cool


I had some metal cut to direct the heat across the trays of meat as sugested by DoW-Oldman.

back from a trip
had to put on hold

Back to the drawing board.


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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on June 17, 2005, 08:04:49 PM
Well this has got to be the best smelling place on the net.....
Sorry I havent answered your email Oldman (health reasons)

This has been a strange year...anyway I am back online and almost finished with this grand smoker of ours. I have some images here:
(stiil uploading....)http://photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/


I used a few oddball items to enclose the controls and power junction the blue box was a 12 volt to 110 ac inverter I had laying around, the panel with hinges will hold the controls etc.

Still trying to finish riviting all together.

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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: Oldman on June 30, 2005, 03:44:26 AM
Nice truck...

Olds
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Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on August 29, 2005, 03:02:18 AM
Just ordered a ET-73 temp probe should be here mid week. Just testing out a seal thickness for front door , have to do some metal work on door also. Electrical is finished and tested . WORKS Great.....
Seal will be magnetic just soon as testing is done putting water bowls in when probe arrives.

If anyone needs schematic (electrical checked out at shop by electrical engineers not saying it is perfect so if anyone has working ideas please share) to build your own I have it and still improving as time let's me. Still have to put in a few diodes and fuses to protect everything in it's proper order. Thanks for all the info from ya all here.......[:I]

Relay from original schematic was for a 10 amp. system I just uppped it easily to a 25 amp by using relay to switch a 25 amp solid state contactor . Added a fan and a heatsink ,,,works great.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/DSC01073.jpg)
Grey J box is waterproof,, and all my connections are in there wire is iether silicone, heat resistant or sleeved inside heat shield from my spark plug wires on my hot rod[:)]
 
Now that the unit is allmost ready I can finaly enjoy it with all here

http://photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/
Upped new pics here

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/61259.jpg)
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Post by: SMOKEHOUSE ROB on August 29, 2005, 04:23:30 AM

mrdennisg
 what the hell is the story on the cat?
 
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on August 29, 2005, 04:28:48 AM
[:I][:)][:I][:)]http://www.bradleysmoker.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2151

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/61259.jpg)
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: CLAREGO on September 02, 2005, 04:40:41 PM
mrdennisg whats with the picture of the dog ???
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Post by: Phone Guy on September 02, 2005, 11:16:57 PM
Whats with all the questions about cats and dogs? [;)]
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Post by: CLAREGO on September 03, 2005, 05:17:49 PM
is it a cat or a dog ?
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Post by: mrdennisg on September 03, 2005, 07:21:44 PM
come on people let's focus hereI think I have to delete all pos'sts showing the "cat" my wife and my living cat is getting tired of seeing it. Maybe I shouldn't have it as my screen saver....[:D]

Well today is my first test of my smoker so I have to get to work.

first use of it was yesterday and I took notes on how long it would take to get up to temp (calibrating my controller)I was surprised that there is only a 5 degree temp differnce from top shelf to bottom shelf @ 200 deg. and that is without the fan running.

it took 30 minutes to come to 200 Deg.
opened the door for 30 seconds and temp dropped 30 degree after shutting took 5 minutes to come back to 200 deg.
that was with an empty box so looks like I have a lot of testing to go.

loading hickory and sacrificing 4 fillet wrapped with backin for the next test any suggestions would be great.

uploading final images now

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/61259.jpg)
Title: Re: Topic changed.. first smoke Hungry......?
Post by: mrdennisg on September 04, 2005, 01:31:38 AM
Thanks to everyone for there input will put handles on door tommorrow

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/DSC01087.jpg)  
[:)]

Gotta go eat  internal temp 150
Think I'll try something else tomorrow any sugestion??

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/61259.jpg)