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dewy

April 12, 2007, 05:29:49 PM
Ive been reading here for about 45 minutes and did a search but Im still not real clear what you guys are talking about.What exactly is this PID I keep reading about  ???

Arcs_n_Sparks

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April 12, 2007, 05:39:39 PM
dewy,

A PID is a Porter Indicating Device. It shows you where your beer is.   8) 8) 8)

Actually, PID stands for: Proportional, Integrating, Derivative. It is a type of closed-looped control scheme. It differs from a traditional thermostat type of controller that is either fully on or fully off (like your house thermostat). It is used for tight closed-loop control over a process parameter (in this case, temperature).

Hope that helps....

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dewy

#2
April 13, 2007, 05:29:35 AM
Wow, lotta big words there :o

So your saying its used to better control the temperature of the smoker? ???

iceman

#3
April 13, 2007, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: dewy on April 13, 2007, 05:29:35 AM
Wow, lotta big words there :o

So your saying its used to better control the temperature of the smoker? ???
Is short YES dewy.
Basically you plug it into the power source then plug the tower into the PID and stick the probe into the tower. As the tower gets closer to the desired temp the PID slowly decreases the voltage to the heat element more and more as it gets closer and closer to temp so it doesn't "overshoot" the desired temp. Neat gadget to have if you don't want to worry about temp swings if your called away for a spell for your smoking duties.

Tiny Tim

#4
April 13, 2007, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: iceman on April 13, 2007, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: dewy on April 13, 2007, 05:29:35 AM
Wow, lotta big words there :o

So your saying its used to better control the temperature of the smoker? ???
Is short YES dewy.
Basically you plug it into the power source then plug the tower into the PID and stick the probe into the tower. As the tower gets closer to the desired temp the PID slowly decreases the voltage to the heat element more and more as it gets closer and closer to temp so it doesn't "overshoot" the desired temp. Neat gadget to have if you don't want to worry about temp swings if your called away for a spell for your smoking duties.

Isn't that the description of the Guru/Raptor?  Or the "high end" PID with Ramp/Soak?  Mine's the basic, and I think it will only keep the proper temp consistently, not decrease to match set IT.  I could be wrong though.

dewy

#5
April 13, 2007, 03:29:39 PM
HMMMM, something I dont have, might have to do something about that ;)

icerat4

#6
April 13, 2007, 03:40:23 PM
Dont jump on the pid band wagon so quick.I say this only because i have 2 bs and dont need pid.My 2 originals are just fine with no add ons.The temps stay well with in the guide lines when smoking.So no need to flex on the add ons.If your able to get a handle on the temps and the slider bar then i say dont bother.The biggest thing here is to relize that you only need somke 4-5 hours tops on all food.The rest is all internal temps.And with a nice temp gauge like a thermalpen your work is done.I have owned 2 bs for 2 years and believe me ive done literlly tons of stuff in this machine.Yea i did buy different temp gauges And even gave those away to folks here.All i can say is try getting use to the machine frist before dumping in money i feel is a waste.Just my 2 cents.Good luck with your new toy and happy smoking ratout. ;D




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#7
April 13, 2007, 04:44:46 PM
I've got a digital and been noticing some wide temp swings. Will the pid help with that ? Where would you interupt the power source ? Between the gen. and the cab ? But then the digital still has control of power , or do you overide the cab temp sensor.  Did any of this make any sense ? ???


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#8
April 13, 2007, 06:01:05 PM
Guru  ;D  ;D  ;D


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#9
April 13, 2007, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: icerat4 on April 13, 2007, 03:40:23 PM
Dont jump on the pid band wagon so quick.I say this only because i have 2 bs and dont need pid.My 2 originals are just fine with no add ons.The temps stay well with in the guide lines when smoking.So no need to flex on the add ons.If your able to get a handle on the temps and the slider bar then i say dont bother.The biggest thing here is to relize that you only need somke 4-5 hours tops on all food.The rest is all internal temps.And with a nice temp gauge like a thermalpen your work is done.I have owned 2 bs for 2 years and believe me ive done literlly tons of stuff in this machine.Yea i did buy different temp gauges And even gave those away to folks here.All i can say is try getting use to the machine frist before dumping in money i feel is a waste.Just my 2 cents.Good luck with your new toy and happy smoking ratout. ;D

Look at it like this - The difference is similiar to a stove with knobs and a stove with digital buttons.  They both work, one costs more than the other, and some folks just like electronic toys. ;D
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#10
April 13, 2007, 07:38:04 PM
Skip, the PID will help the digital. Power for tower is controlled and the SG (plus the temp read out) will still work.  It would plug into the wall seperately.  Mr Walleye has some nice postings on the PID with a digital unit.  ;) - Personally I have not had the temp swings effect anything I have smoked. Which brings you back to the IR4 comment.  Not a urgent need but may be fun someday!  8)

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#11
April 14, 2007, 03:59:50 AM
You are right. Never did have a real problem.(except meltdowns!) That money could go to meat !!

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#12
April 14, 2007, 08:28:56 AM
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dewy

#13
April 14, 2007, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: icerat4 on April 13, 2007, 03:40:23 PM
Dont jump on the pid band wagon so quick.I say this only because i have 2 bs and dont need pid.My 2 originals are just fine with no add ons.The temps stay well with in the guide lines when smoking.So no need to flex on the add ons.If your able to get a handle on the temps and the slider bar then i say dont bother.The biggest thing here is to relize that you only need somke 4-5 hours tops on all food.The rest is all internal temps.And with a nice temp gauge like a thermalpen your work is done.I have owned 2 bs for 2 years and believe me ive done literlly tons of stuff in this machine.Yea i did buy different temp gauges And even gave those away to folks here.All i can say is try getting use to the machine frist before dumping in money i feel is a waste.Just my 2 cents.Good luck with your new toy and happy smoking ratout. ;D

I got a Maveric ET-73 just before I bought my smoker, ill probably just use it to moniter them temps for now and see what happens.

I have an old electric smoker that Ive been considering using the heating element out of and making a new housing for it, the biggest problem I had was the element was very erradic, was thinking more along the lines of trying something like this in that set up.The way I put things off though itll probably never get past the planning stage ;D
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