Here is a shot of the AC Legg veny sticks from the other day. (no binder)
(http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab242/nepas1/2012%20sausage/ven76.jpg)
(http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab242/nepas1/2012%20sausage/ven77.jpg)
No binder and no Der Hoofin ;D