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Title: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Phone Guy on March 10, 2011, 11:03:26 AM
Ok... I have done some searching and I'm getting a little cunfused  ???. I have 40lb of bellies that I am going to make into a variety of bacon. I want to do some regular maple smoked bacon and maybe some pepper bacon. Should I skin the bellies before or after curing? If I skin prior should I leave as much fat on as possible?

Thanks,
Phone Guy
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Bavind on March 10, 2011, 11:23:57 AM
You will find mixed opinions here. I like to skin mine I think the cure gets in faster and better. Plus them I can use the skin and make cracklings. :D
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: MidKnightRider on March 10, 2011, 11:30:49 AM
I do mine skin on, but that's because (for me) its easier to skin it after the cure / smoke.
Most of the time I can just pull it off the bacon after it's hot out of the smoker.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: DTJ on March 10, 2011, 12:30:01 PM
For mine IIake the sin off prior to curing,  I think you get quicker and better penetration of the cure and smoke.  I try to leave as much of the fat on as I can.  The sharper the knife the easier it is.  Habs turned me onto a skinning knife that is shaped to remove skin and it does work easier.  With all of that said it is much, much easier to get the skin off after smoking, but IMHO I prefer the results with it off first.


Daryl
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Habanero Smoker on March 10, 2011, 12:55:42 PM
I can't say it any better then DTJ. The only thing I can add to his statement is that Manxman turned me on to that style of knife.  :)
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: carnie1 on March 10, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
Quote from: DTJ on March 10, 2011, 12:30:01 PM
For mine IIake the sin off prior to curing,  I think you get quicker and better penetration of the cure and smoke.  I try to leave as much of the fat on as I can.  The sharper the knife the easier it is.  Habs turned me onto a skinning knife that is shaped to remove skin and it does work easier.  With all of that said it is much, much easier to get the skin off after smoking, but IMHO I prefer the results with it off first.


Daryl

Quote from: Habanero Smoker on March 10, 2011, 12:55:42 PM
I can't say it any better then DTJ. The only thing I can add to his statement is that Manxman turned me on to that style of knife.  :)

C'mon boys, you gonna let us in on some info on the secret knife??
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: devo on March 10, 2011, 05:21:34 PM
I remember watching a hunting show years ago where they hunted deer and dressed the deer out with a rapala fillet knive. They skinned, deboned and cut all the fat from the meat in twenty minutes. Since then i use my fillit knive for just about every thing. I find its one of the best tools I have for cuting meat.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Bavind on March 10, 2011, 06:34:13 PM
Thats what I use all the time for skinning and deboning you just have to make sure its kept razor sharp.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Habanero Smoker on March 11, 2011, 01:11:43 AM
Quote from: carnie1 on March 10, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
C'mon boys, you gonna let us in on some info on the secret knife??

Hi Carnie;

A skinning knife is the first knife pictured in the following link. It does a better job then any other knife that I have used. I couldn't find the original link to the one Manxman posted, but I purchased mine from one of the outdoor type of stores; I can't remember which one.

I've found that semi freezing the bacon, and skinning while the skin side is on the cutting board works best. It is still tedious, but to me it works better then other knives.

Skinning Knife (http://www.chefdepot.net/skinning.htm)
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Phone Guy on March 11, 2011, 10:41:58 AM
Well my box of bellies finaly thawed enough for me to pull one of the bellies out.  These are the whole bellies from front to back about 3- 4 feet long but they don't seem very thick.
How thick is normal?  I am thinking I will cut the sides to a length that will fit hanging in the OBS then leave the skin on due to the thickness. I guess I will peel the skin after the smoke. Does the meat pull in and thicken up some? I have done lots of butt bacon but not bellies.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Habanero Smoker on March 11, 2011, 12:54:04 PM
When I purchase bellies I can only get them if I buy the whole belly. They generally weigh between 10 - 14 pounds, at the thickest edge they should be about 1.25 - 2.00 thick. It all depends on the age of the hog when slaughtered.

I usually cut the whole slab into thirds prior to curing. That also gives me the ability to use different flavoring for each piece.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Phone Guy on March 11, 2011, 02:30:59 PM
Quote from: Habanero Smoker on March 11, 2011, 12:54:04 PM
When I purchase bellies I can only get them if I buy the whole belly. They generally weigh between 10 - 14 pounds, at the thickest edge they should be about 1.25 - 2.00 thick. It all depends on the age of the hog when slaughtered.

I usually cut the whole slab into thirds prior to curing. That also gives me the ability to use different flavoring for each piece.

Thanks H.S., I do appreciate all the help from everyone. I have 3 whole bellies and I am going to try some different flavors.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Phone Guy on March 14, 2011, 10:39:26 AM
So I have a small 14lb batch of bacon curing. I trimmed the side and cut it into 3 sections, one skinned (not easy) and two skin on. I did one with Cure #1, salt, brown sugar and maple syrup. 2 are with MTQ and brown sugar. I will coat one of the MTQ's in pepper before the smoke. I know it will only be peppered on 3 sides but I think that's good enough. I put them in Friday so either Thursday or Friday I will get them smoked.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: SoCalBuilder on March 14, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
Good luck with the smoke and we'd love to see some pics of the finish product :D
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Habanero Smoker on March 15, 2011, 01:37:10 AM
Skinning is definately not easy, but does get a little easier after you skin a few. Either way I am sure you will enjoy the bacon.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Phone Guy on March 18, 2011, 12:02:22 PM
Smoked the bacon last night. First.... removing the skin after the smoke is very easy as it peals away taking no fat with it. It isn't as visually appealing on that side after the skin comes off but after it's sliced who cares? I cooked a small sample of each, the plain cured bacon if good but the peppered and the Maple are outstanding. I will get the Hobart slicer out tonight and get it sliced and packaged.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: MidKnightRider on March 19, 2011, 08:19:58 AM
Phoneguy, thats it the skin just pulls off after smokeing while still warm.
WHAT no pictures?
Just cookesd up some myself this morning.
Title: Re: Skin on or Skin off?
Post by: Phone Guy on March 24, 2011, 10:18:35 AM
I have another 15lb belly thawed and I will put the cure on tomorrow. I will take photos and do what I can to post them.