Y'all ever seen one of these? http://www.eagletac.com/flashlights/t20c2.html
You can order this thing with 720 lumens in it. It comes with a strobe effect on it that REALLY f&$%#!s up your world. Don't want to carry a gun? Carry this "flashlight". The link above doesn't talk about the 720 lumen upgrade but www.illuminationgear.com has it along with other dealers.
Don't get me wrong. I have 2 Glock 9mm's along with other firepower that I won't discuss here but for folks who are not comfortable with firearms or state laws are a problem, this is a great self protection item and it is legal everywhere because it is a flashlight. I have never looked dead into this thing, especially on strobe setting because it will seriously f&%$! you up, disorient you and blind you.
Just ordered one. (have a friend who is a serious black belt in karate and teaches self defense courses who turned me on to this.) He also has plenty of firepower but prefers to avoid that. Carries one of these all the time.
Thought some of you might have an interest. If I offend some, my apologies. Certainly not my intention.
Hmmm... That might be great for a "what was that noise?" excursion... in the other hand, of course.
Quote from: hal4uk on November 03, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
Hmmm... That might be great for a "what was that noise?" excursion... in the other hand, of course.
Hal, you can order a "toolbar attachment" for certain firearms (think AR15) but trust me this thing with the 720 lumens in it will seriously f*&%! somebody up BAD son.
I just saw this thing in use the other day but can't remember where. One guy flashed another guy for a few seconds and made him throw up immediately. Who'd a thunk it. I wonder in it could trigger epilepsy like the video games can?
Thanks for posting!
So Ky...I'm not into the specs of this "flashLight" so tell me what it does? Like a flash bang with no bang? I'd buy one for our earthquake kit...splain it to me Lucy? ;D
LQ, the light is super super super bright white light. With the strobe running it blinds you and disorients you within a second, maybe two.
Will it attach to my 12-gauge? ::)
Hmmm.... wonder if this might be a good thing for me and the Mrs. over here in the UK. There is virtually nothing we can legally carry for self-defence. Oh sure... there's lots of things that are sold for "other" seemingly innocent purposes, but in reality there's pretty harsh consequences for being caught with anything that, heaven forbid, might prevent you from being beaten, mugged or worse. I jog a lot in our park across the road.... this time of year it's dark and a bit intimidating early morning and evening.... It seems to me an innocent-looking little flashlight might be just the ticket! Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather be packing some proper heat... but over here only outlaws have guns ;)... it's an automatic 5 year no-frills vacation if caught with one! Knives are the weapon of choice for your average up and coming little criminal, and there are more stabbings than pretty much anything else in terms of violent crime. Am I just being silly thinking flashing a light in a potential attackers face is going to make much difference if he's hell-bent on cutting me?
Cool!
I like this and could really use a good flashlight. I wonder if it is strong enough to cause eye damage like a laser..? I would hate to use it as a flashlight and harm someone who does not pose a threat. You have any further information on this?
Expat this thing will not damae anyone but they won't advance on you. The flashing light messes with balance and equilibrium and vision. But not permenently.
Quote from: Wildcat on November 04, 2011, 01:09:18 PM
I like this and could really use a good flashlight. I wonder if it is strong enough to cause eye damage like a laser..? I would hate to use it as a flashlight and harm someone who does not pose a threat. You have any further information on this?
Good question WC and honestly my answer is I don't know. The 300 lumen version is seriously bright enough to ward off an attacker and maybe not cause eye damage if that is a concern. I'm thinking like with a laser pointer, don't point it at someone you don't want to stop dead in their tracks. I have seen both the 300 and 720 lumen versions. Have had them both in my hand and lit them up. The 300 lumen is bad enough. The 720 lumen is a seriously BMF. Oh, you can buy filters to screw into the lense to make the light red, green or yellow too.
A funny thing happened to me today. I was just getting back to the US/CA border. I had one traffic light to go through when I noticed a utilitys truck parked on the sidewalk. As I went through the light a guy with a HiVis vest on steps out on the road almost in front of my truck. The next thing I know he points a big black flashlight at me and pulls the trigger. This thing started flashing a strobe at me like an alien deathray and the first thing to come to my mind is this incapacitater you are showing. I looked away quick so as not to crash when I get screwed up but as I did I see in the mirror that the light is hitting the traffic light behind me and changes immediately. They have sensors on the light standard which switches the light for emergency vehicles which have strobe lights on top. This got me to wondering if this flashlight would work for that. Just imagine how sweet it would be for a trucker (such as myself) never having to stop at another light. Muahhhhhhh.
I like it...I'm getting one....
Well, my wife and mother-in-law are always wanting to know what I want for Birthdays and Christmas, etc. I think this may get on that list. It is not as expensive as the other things on that list. ;D I would still like to know just how dangerous this thing might be. Based on the comments so far, I would hate for evil folks to get these. A few years back there were a lot of reported problems with laser pointers.
Mine should be here by Wednesday or so. Will post more on it once I have it if anyone is interested.
Quote from: KyNola on November 05, 2011, 08:05:21 AM
Mine should be here by Wednesday or so. Will post more on it once I have it if anyone is interested.
I am interested.
I'm interested too! Did you get the 300 lumens or the 720?
Quote from: SiFumar on November 05, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
I'm interested too! Did you get the 300 lumens or the 720?
I ordered the 720. I have personally seen both the 300 & 720 lit up. There is no doubt the 300 will get the job done but the difference in brightness of the 720 is definitely noticeable.
couple questions, if you know.
are either the 300 or 720 safe to use as flashlights? If I accidentally shown the light on someone would they be injured?
I am really interested in this also. I no longer have any weapons in the house. Yes, I know a bad move but I no longer hunt and with the grandkids I just did not want any accidents. I am interested to know if the light will effect the person holding the flashlight? I am thinking that you would still be exposed to the the strobe would you not? As you can tell, I know nothing about the strobe light. If this will incapacitate someone this may be the self-defense that I am looking for. Still wish that SWMBO was not so afraid of guns but it is what it is.
Thank you KyNola. Since you posted this I've been reading alot about it...the 2nd link posted has alot of info. Basically it's a super high power flashlight. Strobe Mode has been factory disabled by default - and can be re-enabled by the operator. The "strobe mode" is what causes the ill effects. Of course the blinding bright light will temporarily "blind" you, as if any one looking into a bright light gets "blinded."
Here is a paragraph from a article from a piece that seal team 6 used the night they took out Bin Laden...interesting to say the least...
The first person the Seals encountered was a terrified woman, bin Laden's third wife, Khaira, who ran into the hall. Blinded by a searing white strobe light they shone at her, she stumbled back. A Seal grabbed her by the arm and threw her to the floor.
and here is a link to the story...
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/bitter-seals-tell-of-killing-bert-laden/story-fn8ljzlv-1226186934623
Deee-fence EH :o
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Quote from: SiFumar on November 06, 2011, 09:14:57 AM
Thank you KyNola. Since you posted this I've been reading alot about it...the 2nd link posted has alot of info. Basically it's a super high power flashlight. Strobe Mode has been factory disabled by default - and can be re-enabled by the operator. The "strobe mode" is what causes the ill effects. Of course the blinding bright light will temporarily "blind" you, as if any one looking into a bright light gets "blinded."
Mine arrived yesterday. It is 5 1/2 inches long from bezel to tail cap. The bezel is 1 1/4 inches across. It is extremely lightweight and would fit easily in a purse or pocket although it comes with a case that has a velcro belt loop and lanyard loop. It also comes with a wrist lanyard, light diffuser and extra O Rings. The light has a standard light mode and a turbo light mode. It also has 4 hidden settings; a low light output setting, a beacon setting, another strobe setting and an SOS setting.
As SiFumar stated, the tactical strobe is disabled by the manufacturer and is easily enabled by the owner, instructions included. The keyword is "tactical". There have been many questions posted about whether it can cause damage to someone. The answer is clearly yes it can cause damage. Just like a gun, don't point it where you don't intend to use it, particularly in the turbo mode. Don't know for sure if it would be permanent damage or not but it is a tactical device. Doesn't have to be in the strobe mode to stop someone. The light itself will do it but the strobe setting heightens the disabling effect.
With that said, it is also an incredible flashlight.
Thanks for the feedback. I want one.
Here is tactical for ya. Surefire tactical helmet light.
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Blue for blood trail. This way when you find the bad guy you can blast him again :o
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LMAO such a macabre discription of looking for bad guys. Hey rick Maybe you can answwer an arguement I have with my cohort at work. He asked me why they use redlights at night and I said "I think it doesn't show up easily as white so it is harder to pinpoint". Then he argued that "lazer light is red and it is easy to see". To which I said "if you are so f##$%^%^ing smart then why did you ask me to begin with". He shut up except to say he still wonders why. Can you shed some light on this (pun intended)?
Quote from: Quarlow on November 08, 2011, 06:30:06 PM
LMAO such a macabre discription of looking for bad guys. Hey rick Maybe you can answwer an arguement I have with my cohort at work. He asked me why they use redlights at night and I said "I think it doesn't show up easily as white so it is harder to pinpoint". Then he argued that "lazer light is red and it is easy to see". To which I said "if you are so f##$%^%^ing smart then why did you ask me to begin with". He shut up except to say he still wonders why. Can you shed some light on this (pun intended)?
I think the red light preserves your night vision, keeps your eyes from adjusting.
In reality, it is a white light with a red lense and is used to read maps, etc. This type of light can only be seen for a limited distance (at least the light reflections off of the object you are looking at). Harder for the enemy to spot you at night.
Yeah I had the cub flashlight that was angled and had all the lense covers but never knew what they were for. So pretty much as I figured but with the night vision part.
Quote from: Quarlow on November 08, 2011, 06:30:06 PM
LMAO such a macabre discription of looking for bad guys. Hey rick Maybe you can answwer an arguement I have with my cohort at work. He asked me why they use redlights at night and I said "I think it doesn't show up easily as white so it is harder to pinpoint". Then he argued that "lazer light is red and it is easy to see". To which I said "if you are so f##$%^%^ing smart then why did you ask me to begin with". He shut up except to say he still wonders why. Can you shed some light on this (pun intended)?
The red beam is beneficial to military because it doesn't interfere with night vision and it won't jeopardize troops by giving away strategic position.
Cool beams....I mean beans. Rrr. Not only that it looks real freaky when you hold it to your chin and shin it up your face. :o
I was Infantry in Viet Nam. Back then we did not have GPS. We navigated with terrain maps and compasses. On a terrain map (at least back then) the maps were green with light brown elevation lines. The red lens on the flashlight really gave me hell trying to read the maps. After about 15 seconds the brown lines would disappear in the red light and I would have to look away for a few seconds in order to read the map again. The red light does mess with your night vision a little but for a shorter time and not near as much as a white light does.
What effect would this thing have if it were shone at animals? Like a rat or a mouse?
Most animals will not move when blinded by light unless something else causes them to flee.
Quote from: Rainmaker on November 09, 2011, 07:50:55 AM
What effect would this thing have if it were shone at animals? Like a rat or a mouse?
Listen... we all have our own strange habits...and each to their own. But dammit, I draw the line at smoked rat and mouse ??? ???
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Hmmmm
Smoked Rata :o
Some amnimals dont see red very good......BANG....D'OH
If I remember correctly,
Red preserves night vision, Yellow cuts through smoke, Green increases clarity in low light conditions, Blue enhances blood trails.