Hello I own a DBS and auber doul probe pid and my smoker will not get up to temp ? It's in my garage and I'm trying to smoke brisket as we speak ! It's been 4hr and won't get over 200 ? What am I doing wrong ?
Oh I set the Auber pid to cook at 225 and to stop at temp of 180 too
Could be that the briskie was too cold when you put it in, wind is out of the equation, IS YOUR VENT OPEN? Are you running one stock element or is it dualed out or do you have a 900w
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Are you running the smoker in an extension cord or have any other things on the same outlet? If you got 4 hours of smoke on it, you can always put it in the house oven to finish it.
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Got a lot of stuff in the smoker? As Mike indicated, meat temp and size of load will have a big impact on the first half of the cook. A cabinet temp of 200 is fine (especially at the beginning). You can do the entire cook at that temp. It will just take time.
Quote from: captsmoke on February 28, 2013, 03:18:49 PM
Oh I set the Auber pid to cook at 225 and to stop at temp of 180 too
I set my PID to 225 or whatever I want to cook at but never set it to stop at a certain temp. I use the food probe as a guide and I like to check with my thermapen.
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It's a stock element , the meat was wet with mustard and seasoning when it went in . The Vent was closed ! I opened it a few minutes ago and the temp went up a bit and meat internal temp went down ? Should the oven be on or just the auber pid modular thing ? I have the smoke part on with the Bradley .
The smoker is full ! And it is plugged into a extension cord ! Should I wait it out or put it In the oven ?
It should all be on. With one stock element I would leave the smoke generator on to get additional heat. Helps a lot.
When you close the vent, you are trapping tons of moisture in there and the smoker is working harder to heat all of it up plus the meat. Also the smoke can an will back up and out of the smoke generator and over time can ruin your SG.
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The auber pid reads temp 191 meat temp 148 okay ! The Bradley smoker reads temp 234 of the oven too ? Big discrepancy don't you think ?
Just my opinion, I don't see a need for a PID if you are running a stock element. Others might have a different opinion on this.
It doesn't give you any extra heat. I have dual 500w elements and have no issues keeping temps at 225 or above steady within 1 to 2 degrees.
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I just bought it just because .. First time using it really seems like I need the bigger element where do you get them ? Thanks for the advise so quick you guys too !
Quote from: captsmoke on February 28, 2013, 03:31:24 PM
The auber pid reads temp 191 meat temp 148 okay ! The Bradley smoker reads temp 234 of the oven too ? Big discrepancy don't you think ?
The stock thermometer is not that accurate. Most here use a stand alone like Maverick et732. To monitor temps. I don't know if running the stock element whether you would of have to run the autotune feature on the PID. I know that when you change out the stock for another setup, you do. Maybe some one can clarify this.
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welcome aboard and others have you set stright
Quote from: captsmoke on February 28, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
I just bought it just because .. First time using it really seems like I need the bigger element where do you get them ? Thanks for the advise so quick you guys too !
Hold up, getting website for you ;D
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Must have been that I had the vent closed ! It's slowly climbing up .. I did open the cabnit too look and the element is Red and there was moisture running down the door ?
Bradley Element (http://www.yardandpool.com/Bradley-Smoker-Replacement-Heating-Element-p/btheat.htm)
YardandPool Bradley section (http://www.yardandpool.com/Bradley-Smokers-s/573.htm?searching=Y&sort=2&cat=573&show=120&page=1)
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Quote from: captsmoke on February 28, 2013, 03:41:48 PM
Must have been that I had the vent closed ! It's slowly climbing up .. I did open the cabnit too look and the element is Red and there was moisture running down the door ?
That will mess you up every time or at least the first time ;D. No biggie, we all have made our fair share of mistakes. Take a look at the site I posted for you. Great customer service. They sell everything for the unit.
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Is that the best element to get ?
Taking the other side of the previous discussion, I loved having my PID when I just had one element. Even for brisket. The reason is that I never had to worry about the temp in the cabinet. I just set it and forget it. Beautiful.
Quote from: captsmoke on February 28, 2013, 03:46:17 PM
Is that the best element to get ?
It's a stock element, you would basically add it with the one it came with and will give you 1000w of cooking power. This is where the PID comes into play. It will control both of them. You have to autotune the pid when you do the mod. There is a tutorial on the website I pm'd you on how to install it. Pretty easy. When you are ready, just post away your questions and you will get plenty of help. You can also ask about the single 900w element that some have put in.
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PID is not really needed for what you are cooking. It will only help to keep a constant cabinet temp assuming you can get it up to the cabinet temp you want. I do not need one but I have one and use it all the time because I like the constant temp and do not have to worry about it getting too hot if I decide to leave the house. Of course as a safety issue, I do not have it too close to the house. I use mine on an open patio.
Remember brisket doesn't start getting tender until it hits 180/190. An old bbq'r told me when you think a brisket is done, cook it some more. That has always held true for me.
Quote from: captsmoke on February 28, 2013, 03:28:57 PM
The smoker is full ! And it is plugged into a extension cord ! Should I wait it out or put it In the oven ?
The extension cord isn't helping, either. Unless it's a heavy duty cord like something designed to be used on a refrigerator it won't let enough current pass through and it will "choke" your smoker. I believe it says in the owner's manual to not use an extension cord.
Quote from: Wildcat on February 28, 2013, 04:03:37 PM
PID is not really needed for what you are cooking.
:-X
Wildcat, ;)
All you need to do is open your vent. A closed vent traps all of the moisture coming off of the water bowl and the moisture coming out of the brisket. That holds the temp DOWN in the tower as well as making that stuff you saw dripping down the walls. That same stuff will condensate on the top of the inside of your tower and drip a very foul tasting black rain on to your brisket. A closed vent will also back the smoke up into your smoke generator, effectively destroying it.
Open your vent, wide open.
There is a FAQ section on the recipe site that will help you narrow down the problem quickly. That section may not solve your problem, but will provide a lot of answers, and narrow in on the issue(s) before you post on the board.
Bradley Smoker FAQ's (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?481-Bradley-Smoker-FAQ-s&p=748#post748)
If you purchased the Auber Dual Probe PID for the Bradley smoker - the programming is alread set for the single element. "P" value will be at 70. Just a matter of opinion, the PID is a good thing even with a single element because it will control the temperature without the over and undershoots. The Bradley DBS will over and undershoot the target temp by 30F. Also, the DBS temp sensor location is about 2/3 of the way up and on the back wall right where the heat comes up from the single element. It will always read much higher that the actual tower or food temp.
I have 4 rack DBS and did the dual element mod because of temp issues and long regain temps if you opened the door.
Dual element mod instructions can be found on www.susanminor.org forum.
I have single probe Auber PID controller The manual comes on a disk with the controller and if you have a dual element you have to go into the settings of the PID and change the "P" setting. You change the initial setting of 70 to 140 . No auto run is required after you change this.
I also bought a Maverick 732 from amazon and with this combo I am extremely happy with the smokers performance, a little ticked at Bradley because I had to do this. Got the elements from Bradley and the PID from Auber.
Hope this helps