I plan on cold smoking for the first time tomarrow evening.
I have cheddar, swiss, cojack, colby, & horseradish cheddar.
Plan is : 2 hrs. smoke (undetermined flavor) @ 75 F.
Leave in smoker 1 hr. @ 75 F.
Cool down, wipe down (if needed) then into ziploc bags & into fridge overnight.
Vacuum seal and wait at least 3 wks.
Any advice on adjustments to my plan would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
I don't think your going to need the extra hour in the smoker after the 2 hours of smoke, you can take it right out after the smoke and let it sit for a while before you bag it. If you have access to a vacuum sealer I would recommend that you use that instead of Ziploc bags to get more air out, although I have seen members talk about putting the Ziploc in water to squeeze all the air out.
Even though TenPoint5 may get on here and encourage you to sample your cheese out of the smoker, I have been told by several that have tried it that it tastes like an ashtray until the smoke has a chance to mellow. Most of the stuff I've read calls for leaving it alone for at least a month, I left my first cheese for 5 weeks and it was awesome. This is just what has been suggested to me, others with more experience will give you their opinions, go with whatever makes the most sense to you. :)
Thanx for your input Saber 4.
Yes, I will vacuum seal it to store it in the fridge.
Also, probably will leave it longer than the 3 wks. (if I can stay out of it that long)
I'll let you know how it goes.
I've been enjoying mine, I have done shredded smoked Jarlesberg and Jalapeno crusty bread and smoked turkey and smoked cheddar pannini's. Wait a week or so and do another batch so that you have more aging and ready when you finish the first batch, which I bet goes quick. My goal is to do enough this winter to last all year because it's to hot to cold smoke most of the time.
After trying multiple samples every 2 days after my first cheese smoke, I have found two things. Softer cheeses will absorb the smoke after about 3 weeks, and harder cheeses will start to convert (taste better) after 27-28 days. Smoked cheese is great, and I usually smoke 5-10 pounds at a time. 2 hours is plenty, and I use hickory or apple. Hope this helps.
Thanks pokermeister
I purchased enough cheese for two smokes.
I'm thinking apple for the first smoke & if it goes well maybe alder or even hickory for the second. (just to see the difference)
It has just started getting cool enough to try cold smoking here. I have had my Bradley cold smoke adapter for over a month & have been jones'ing to try it out.
I love smoked cheese so I really hope this turns out well.
I now will bloom (air dry) my cheese in the smoker for a few hours at around 70°F after the smoke has been applied. I find you get a much richer color, and I think improves the flavor.
Like Saber mentioned. You go right ahead and taste you some of that cheese. Yes right out of the smoker. My promise to you is that 3 weeks of letting the cheese rest. It wont be a problem. Matterof fact I'm guessing you can do 2 months just to make sure its good and mellowed out!
Quote from: Habanero Smoker on October 12, 2013, 01:51:54 AM
I now will bloom (air dry) my cheese in the smoker for a few hours at around 70°F after the smoke has been applied. I find you get a much richer color, and I think improves the flavor.
Thanks for the info, I'll give it a shot on my next cheese smoke.
Quote from: Tenpoint5 on October 12, 2013, 06:55:57 AM
Like Saber mentioned. You go right ahead and taste you some of that cheese. Yes right out of the smoker. My promise to you is that 3 weeks of letting the cheese rest. It wont be a problem. Matterof fact I'm guessing you can do 2 months just to make sure its good and mellowed out!
I knew you'd be along shortly with that comment ;)
Quote from: Habanero Smoker on October 12, 2013, 01:51:54 AM
I now will bloom (air dry) my cheese in the smoker for a few hours at around 70°F after the smoke has been applied. I find you get a much richer color, and I think improves the flavor.
Ditto Habs, I've found the same results with this process.
Hab, I knew that you let your cheese "bloom" in the smoker. ;) :)(I got the idea from you) I just didn't know how long I should leave it in. Should I turn any heat to the smoker off during this "blooming period, or try to keep it at about 70F?
Thanx a lot fellas, for trying to goad me into "the taste test" :LOL ;D ;D, but no thanx. I don't smoke anything with my mouth, so I cetainly don't want to lick an ashtray!
I'm headed out to the smokehouse to set up my cold smoke adapter for tonight. (It is still a little too warm outside to start the smoke yet)
Thanx to all for your suggestions.
P.S. I read somewhere a while back how to make the little "degree sign" on the keyboard. I know it is stupid of me but it bugs me that I can't remember how the person said to do it.
Quote from: Roget on October 12, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
Thanx a lot fellas, for trying to goad me into "the taste test" :LOL ;D ;D, but no thanx. I don't smoke anything with my mouth, so I cetainly don't want to lick an ashtray!
I might be the only one, but I don't mind the flavor right out of the smoker. :-)
Quote from: Roget on October 12, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
Hab, I knew that you let your cheese "bloom" in the smoker. ;) :)(I got the idea from you) I just didn't know how long I should leave it in. Should I turn any heat to the smoker off during this "blooming period, or try to keep it at about 70F?
I have bloomed at 80°F, but now try to keep it between 70°F - 75°F. My setup uses a temperature controller, similar to a PID, so I can regulate the heat very close to my set temperature. I keep the element on, and monitor it very closely. If the heat gets too high open the door to allow the cabinet to cool. I know I said a few hours but I meant 2 hours. If you go too long the cheese texture may change.
I totally realize that I am pretty thick headed and a dumb ol' boy from Kentucky but can someone explain to me the difference in holding the cheese in the smoker at 70-75 degrees as opposed to simply turning the racks upside down, placing the smoked cheese on it and let it bloom for a couple of hours on the counter or table in your house where the temperature is also 70-75 degrees?
I'm a bit confused about this and certainly not an expert at smoking foods but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once. :)
The reason I would do it is I refuse to turn the furnace on right now and it get pretty cold in the house with the outside temps the rest of us have from you spoiled southerners :P
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Roget, you don't have to wait for temp to drop to cold smoke. I just put a frozen milk jug in the bottom of the smoker. You can also fill the bisquette bowl with mostly ice. I cold smoke in the summer in Vegas with no problem. Hope this helps.
Quote from: KyNola on October 12, 2013, 03:20:36 PM
I totally realize that I am pretty thick headed and a dumb ol' boy from Kentucky but can someone explain to me the difference in holding the cheese in the smoker at 70-75 degrees as opposed to simply turning the racks upside down, placing the smoked cheese on it and let it bloom for a couple of hours on the counter or table in your house where the temperature is also 70-75 degrees?
I'm a bit confused about this and certainly not an expert at smoking foods but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once. :)
Along with Devo's excellent answer :), it is only 70 - 75°F in my home during the summer when I'm not smoking cheese. But if your house is at 70 - 75°F, you should use your counter top; if your relative humidity is not too low. Being a Yankee from up north, even in the summer time my house is rarely at that temperature when my cheese is finished smoking. And when I turn on my heat the house is at 68°F, and the humidity in the house is usuallay below 40% RH. The Bradley provides an excellent enclosed environment were you can control the heat, and the RH will not be too low.
Thanx pokermeister.
I have read about using the ice.(actually I have read everthing I could find about smoking cheese)
I want to try my new Bradley adapter to see if I can control the temp using it & my PID.
After that I may try to cold smoke on a warmer day to see how that works out also.
Quote from: Habanero Smoker on October 13, 2013, 01:50:06 AM
Quote from: KyNola on October 12, 2013, 03:20:36 PM
I totally realize that I am pretty thick headed and a dumb ol' boy from Kentucky but can someone explain to me the difference in holding the cheese in the smoker at 70-75 degrees as opposed to simply turning the racks upside down, placing the smoked cheese on it and let it bloom for a couple of hours on the counter or table in your house where the temperature is also 70-75 degrees?
I'm a bit confused about this and certainly not an expert at smoking foods but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once. :)
Along with Devo's excellent answer :), it is only 70 - 75°F in my home during the summer when I'm not smoking cheese. But if your house is at 70 - 75°F, you should use your counter top; if your relative humidity is not too low. Being a Yankee from up north, even in the summer time my house is rarely at that temperature when my cheese is finished smoking. And when I turn on my heat the house is at 68°F, and the humidity in the house is usuallay below 40% RH. The Bradley provides an excellent enclosed environment were you can control the heat, and the RH will not be too low.
And that is a reasonable explanation. Hadn't considered the "Yankee" factor. ;) Just kidding but I had not considered that homes in the North might not be at those temperatures.
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: KyNola on October 12, 2013, 03:20:36 PM
I totally realize that I am pretty thick headed and a dumb ol' boy from Kentucky but can someone explain to me the difference in holding the cheese in the smoker at 70-75 degrees as opposed to simply turning the racks upside down, placing the smoked cheese on it and let it bloom for a couple of hours on the counter or table in your house where the temperature is also 70-75 degrees?
I'm a bit confused about this and certainly not an expert at smoking foods but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once. :)
Larry I am with you on this one. In South Florida I have to wait until this time of year to be able to smoke any cheese. Last week it got down to 80 and I did a load. Smoked with 2 hours of Cherry with cabinet temp of 90 and then brought them inside to bloom and the house temp was 78. I'll be danged if I am going to run the AC to get the temp down to 70. But as usual I most like am doing it all wrong anyway.