THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WHO HAVE ORDERED STUFF FROM ICEMAN ONLY TO NOT PAY HIM. ONE MEMBER EVEN RAGGED ON HOW ICEMAN'S STUFF HELPED HIM IN A COOK OFF, BUT IS YET TO PAY HIM THE $150.00 HE OWES TO ICEMAN.
TO THOSE THAT HAVE ORDER SAUCE AND SPICES FROM ICEMAN ONLY NOT TO PAY HIM... YOU AND YOUR ACTIONS RATE RIGHT UP THERE WITH WHAT A WHALE LEAVES ON THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN.
//SIGNED//
Raye Minor
AKA OLDS
All I can say is that I agree with Olds. This is the 1st that I have heard about this. It is like stealing from a family member.
Brad
I agree with both of you. Even though I have never met ice or Ann they are very good, honest and great AMERICANS. What they do for the forum folks goes far beond what anyone else would do.
nepas
Yup! I gotta agree guys.
I'm very disappointed to here this. Ice went out of his way to help me out as well when I was trying to find a product. I've never met Pat either but he's still willing to help out a complete stanger. He is a stand up guy and deserves a little better than this. I certianly hope these select few step up to the plate and make things right. I guess there is a few in crowd no matter where you are! :(
Mike
It is unfortunate that we have members like that. There are a lot of those types in this world, but am surprised to find there may be more than one of them on this forum. I am sorry to hear this Pat. They will eventually get what they deserve. If this has hit the ole pocket book too hard, let me know and I will be glad to send what I can to help out. With a little luck, perhaps this was an oversight and they will see these posts and make things right.
Rick
That's terrible to hear, this has always been a very friendly community, with members always eager to help, and show lots of trust, and this is how they get repayed???
Whoever you are, if you've had sauce from the iceman please pay him, and quick! he's a good guy and doesn't deserve this sh*t! >:(
I'm sorry and angered to hear this. I've never met Pat, but I know he would always put the needs of others first.
If failure to make payment was due to an oversight, or temporary hard times, then you need to communicate that to Pat, and make arrangements to pay. For the few of you out there that have no problem using others, what I have to say is not going to make a difference to you or it may only amuse you; so I won't bother.
This is very disappointing and I agree with all of the above statements.
Knowing Pat these aren't week old debts. For him to actually even bring it up these must be WELL OVERDUE.
Not much more that I can add to what has been stated already...Pat & Ann are awesome people and deserve better than that kind of treatment.
Ya know, I'm dying to try Iceman's sauce but at the time I can't afford to. I could never do such a thing to Pat, he's going out of his way to provide his product and even pays the shipping charge on the promise to repay him. All I can say is what a bunch of dirtbags.
I am a relative newcomer and don't really "know" anyone. Several of you have provided the help and assistance I needed and I thank each of you very much. I think everyone on the forum appears to be good people. I am sorry to hear that some of the us would take advantage of another member. Those people are the type who would cheat their own family if they thought they could get away with it. Everything has been said by others and I can only add what goes around comes around. Its too bad one apple can spoil a whole barrel. Iceman, I hope this don't create a hardship or create a long lasting bitterness with dealing with fellow members.
Nathan
I have faith in the idea that people eventually get what they deserve. The fact that iceman has not commented on this here obviously shows his character, although I have never ordered anything and cannot speak from experience. On this forum he seems like a great guy. Shame what people will do.
Forgot to add, remember the phrase, "even stevens". It's real.
This is sad indeed. Pat is a great contributor to the forum and has been great to help out many of us, giving his own time and special effort. This is angering. >:(
I only know Pat from the few transactions here but am sure he would be the last to behave this way in treatment of others. $150. does not seem like a one time thing.
Lame. Pathetic. Shameful. :P
For what it's worth: 5 gallons of IPA is in the fermenter waiting for the yeast to do their magic. 5 to 6 weeks to be potable. Part of which is earmarked for Goose Bay, Alaska. An offer of suds for sauce.
Iceman has always treated me with friendship and trust. To me, to betray either would demean my character and place me in a low life category. I thank Iceman for befriending me as he has other forum members, and for providing me an excellent opportunity to benefit from his products. For those of you who have taken advantage of him there is no need to address you. You are not the type of people who would benefit from criticism. But I remind you..........one day you will stand in judgement.
Nuff said...off my soap box now.
Dirt bags make my A** hurt........If it weren't for deadbeats and bums , the truley good guys
wouldn't be as easy to see. The Iceman knows cool 8)
Coyote
Yeah seems there's freeloaders in all walks of life ::)
If these people ever ask for more sauce or rubs Pat, maybe you will give them the new variety?
Sauce....................(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Disgusting/piss.gif)"Freeloaders"
Butt rub....................(http://privat.bluezone.no/birgitf/butt.gif)
See how they like that!
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-023.gif)..........LilSmoker(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s62/Gitster59/Tip-Hat.gif)
I love it....
I've only been a member of this forum for a short time but have already gained a wealth of information from the Iceman and to hear this is dissapointing in the least. Anybody lookin' for sauce? I can always use extra sauce and going to get an order together NOW. Maybe others here could use some too. Get the kettle fired up Ice. >:( :) :)
THAT'S JUST WRONG!!!!
During my college days, if a fraternity brother failed to pay their dues a list was posted with all their names, telling all that they were not being honorable.
Names stayed posted until payment was collected. Payment or a payment plan usually resulted fairly quickly.
Just food for thought - or - smoking for contemplation...
Iceman's Sauce and Rub are certainly the best and I would hate to lose the opportunity to purchase some again in the future because of such boneheaded actions.
I like lil idea ;D ;D sure i have more rub.How much do ya need. ;D
I find it appalling that anyone would not pay their bill. I've had nothing but superb dealings with the Iceman - he runs a business the way you'd wish everyone would. His products are second to none IMHO. Post the names of these A-holes. There is simply no excuse for this behavior.
Tom
Yes it really is a sad affair >:(
I can't help thinking these were selfish people who were just passing through, and saw an opportunity to take advantage of the trust they were shown?
If they are seasoned members, i think it's all the more disgusting!, either way they have no moral fibre :(
I agree LS. When I became aware of Iceman's sauce, I ordered some and in our e-mail's when I inquired about payment, he said to try the sauce first and if I liked it then I send the payment. This displays what kind of a man he is as well as the confidence he has in his product. A rare breed these days. Although I have had difficulties with a couple of nameless folks on here in the past, this "stealing" by a member comes as a shock. This is really low and I hope it does not ruin our abilities to obtain the worlds Perfect Sauce. People who wrong other people will eventually get what they deserve.
As fellow members, I propose the next time we order from Iceman that we include a couple of extra bucks in our payment to help him cover these losses. A couple of bucks each will not hurt any of us and unless I am mistaken we are receiving his product at a cut rate anyway.
Need info to order sauce from Ice. All I can find is his e-mail addr. Does he have a site or quanity/price list? Help quick! I'm knee deep in drool. :D :D ???
Just send him a pm or to his e-mail. It is great stuff.
Yes, the sauce is excellent with a nice kick to it. Thats a good idea wildcat, about adding a couple more bucks to help offset the no paying scumbags. A thief is a dirtbag who steals from others because he or she is too lazy to work like the rest of us.
Artmiester , Think! before you order......Quality is addictive ! There's no turnin' back once you've
had the good stuff. Your taste buds won't let you......Enjoy ! :) The Iceman knows 8)
Coyote