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Title: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: winemakers on February 14, 2008, 05:53:48 PM
I thought it might be really interesting to start a dialogue about techniques used in sausage making, both right and wrong and start an idea exchange on tips and tricks.  I am a long way from an expert, but as a long standing participant in the amateur ranks I have a few ideas I would like to throw out there for a peer review, and please, feel free to throw a flag and lambaste me I if I am off base.  Well, here goes:

As generic bullet list:


Wow, I need another beer.  Nah, a few fingers of Knob Creek are calling my name.


mld
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Arcs_n_Sparks on February 14, 2008, 06:06:37 PM
Quote from: winemakers on February 14, 2008, 05:53:48 PM
Wow, I need another beer.  Nah, a few fingers of Knob Creek are calling my name.

Did I hear beverage?

All good suggestions. I would add that for smoking sausages, temperature control is important to avoid rendering and ending up with a dry sausage. For my breakfast sausages using collagen casings, I find it easier just to cut them into links rather than twist. Also makes it easy to put them in vacuum bags for sealing and freezing.

Arcs_n_Sparks
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Mr Walleye on February 14, 2008, 06:20:14 PM
Great job Winemakers!  8)

I'm pretty new to sausage making but I've been doing my homework and so far so good. I look forward to keeping an eye on this thread for sure.

Mike
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Gizmo on February 14, 2008, 08:32:42 PM
Do you recommend cubing the meat, adding the spices, let it blend a while, then grind it all together or cube, grind, then season and mix?  I have seen both ways written.
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Arcs_n_Sparks on February 14, 2008, 08:38:21 PM
Gizmo,

Good question. For me, I cube, grind, season/mix, then stuff. Especially for sausages where you are adding liquid (like brats), it is easier to add to the ground mixture then stuff. Same logic for distributing cure on a liquid carrier like water.

A_n_S
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: coyote on February 14, 2008, 09:13:32 PM
Me too guys . Cube , grind , season , mix.  However , with venison , I add fat off and on for the first
grind and then grind it all one more time. Slowly add seasoning and water while some lucky dog
cranks the mixer ;)


Coyote
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Habanero Smoker on February 15, 2008, 03:08:01 AM
I cut into strip (for my KitchenAid grinder), season (except for adding powder milk, soy protein etc), then mix.

Its early in the morning as I read this so theses may already be listed; if so excuse me:

Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: winemakers on February 15, 2008, 04:36:17 AM
HS points to a real time saver.  I strip the meat when preparing to grind rather than chunk or cube.  This is a personal preference, as when you pick up one end of the meat strip, feed it into your grinder, the rest self feeds and for a brief moment, that hand is available for another task (whatever that may be).

Strips like that make short work of a butt.  I bone the butt, then slice into +/- 1 inch oval sections, then slice those ovals into 1 by 1 strips that feed like majic into the grinder.

Kudos to the temperature police!  That is the single easiest way to muck up several hours of hard work.  Make arrangements to monitor the smoker properly before hand (chair position, distance to cooler, ringer off on the phone, spouse properly advised) and make sure the temp doesnt swing or spike.  Rotate racks or hanging positions as necessary for your setup and wink wink concentrate with your efforts.
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: iceman on February 15, 2008, 09:40:52 AM
Quote from: winemakers on February 15, 2008, 04:36:17 AM
HS points to a real time saver.  I strip the meat when preparing to grind rather than chunk or cube.  This is a personal preference, as when you pick up one end of the meat strip, feed it into your grinder, the rest self feeds and for a brief moment, that hand is available for another task (whatever that may be).

Strips like that make short work of a butt.  I bone the butt, then slice into +/- 1 inch oval sections, then slice those ovals into 1 by 1 strips that feed like majic into the grinder.

Kudos to the temperature police!  That is the single easiest way to muck up several hours of hard work.  Make arrangements to monitor the smoker properly before hand (chair position, distance to cooler, ringer off on the phone, spouse properly advised) and make sure the temp doesnt swing or spike.  Rotate racks or hanging positions as necessary for your setup and wink wink concentrate with your efforts.

Pretty much the same here. Meat stripped and very cold at all times. Ice in beverage glass even colder! No phone calls and visitors by invitation only. Double guard on temp control and triple duty on keeping glass full. I keep true to the story on how difficult it is doing all this but I don't mind suffering so I can provide the boss lady with quality foods.
It's a tough job but somebody has to do it!  ::) :D ;)
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Mr Walleye on February 15, 2008, 12:02:48 PM
That's interesting... I discovered the strip method instead of cubing it the first time I make sausage. It creates a free hand and saves time for... ahh... important things!  ;)  :D

And ya can't over emphasize keeping adequate ice in that glass either!  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: coyote on February 15, 2008, 08:30:51 PM
Hey Iceman , That's why I let my son enjoy cranking the mixer. That way ol'dad always has
a free hand for an Ice cold adult beverage. ;D 8)

Coyote
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: LilSmoker on February 16, 2008, 01:56:26 AM
Quote from: coyote on February 15, 2008, 08:30:51 PM
Hey Iceman , That's why I let my son enjoy cranking the mixer. That way ol'dad always has
a free hand for an Ice cold adult beverage. ;D 8)

Coyote

Haha! i like your way of thinking Coyote (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0039.gif)

I think this thread is a great idea, i'm gonna be doing some sausage in the near future, i haven't made any for years, i used to make lots when i was a kid working in a butchers shop.

Mind you, the majority of those sausages contained lots of rusk, and very little meat  :o

They were very popular though, and sold out very quickly, just goes to show, there's no accounting for taste! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-cowboy-036.gif)
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: coyote on February 16, 2008, 10:07:19 PM
Ahhhhh for the good old days Lilsmoker. :)....It just may be time to crank up the ol' sausage mill again. ;D

Coyote
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: iceman on February 18, 2008, 09:45:57 AM
Couldn't take it any longer and made up 10 pounds of sweet hot Italian links Saturday. Grilled some up and sauced them up over some pasta. Whew I ate too much!!!  :P :)
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Habanero Smoker on February 18, 2008, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: iceman on February 18, 2008, 09:45:57 AM
Couldn't take it any longer and made up 10 pounds of sweet hot Italian links Saturday. Grilled some up and sauced them up over some pasta. Whew I ate too much!!!  :P :)

Yeah! I know what you mean. This weekend I made 10 pounds of bratwurst, of which I smoked 5 pounds and sauteed the other 5. That is just too much sausage to be available at one time. :)
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: winemakers on February 19, 2008, 05:50:16 AM
two butts worth myself.  10 lbs conventional brats, the remaining ~6 lbs with 1 lb of xsharp chedder for a household favorite.  Now, how to get them into the freezer before we eat them breakfast/lunch/dinner.
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Stickbowcrafter on February 20, 2008, 10:42:20 AM
There's no faster way to "break" a sausage than the failure to keep the mixture cool.

I like to put the metal accessories (loading tray, cutting blade, plates, etc.) from my grinder into the freezer while I cut the meat. Assemble them just before grinding and this will help keep the meat cool.

I also like to put a bowl or plate full of ice under the platter or bowl I'm grinding into to keep things cool.

Grind the lean meat and fat/fatty meat separately.

-Brian
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Mr Walleye on February 20, 2008, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: Stickbowcrafter on February 20, 2008, 10:42:20 AM
I like to put the metal accessories (loading tray, cutting blade, plates, etc.) from my grinder into the freezer while I cut the meat. Assemble them just before grinding and this will help keep the meat cool.

Brian

I really like this idea and allthough I'm fairly new to the whole sausage thing I have started doing this and it does seem to help keeping things cooled down.

Mike
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: iceman on February 20, 2008, 12:57:56 PM
Gotta agree on the cold thing 100 %. I've even stuck the stripped (cut up) meat back in the freezer for a spell to "harden it up" so it doesn't smear when you grind it. I also am kind of a fanatic on keeping the grinding blade and plate honed so it cuts good. Always grew up with the 4 C's of sausage making.
CLEAN!... Keep every thing very clean when handling meat.
COLD!..... Keep all raw meat as cold as possible. Never leave the work station if you have raw meat on the counter.
CAREFUL!. Don't get careless or distracted when using knifes and grinders. It's nice to have all your fingers.
C0CKTAILS! Then once it's all stuffed and ready to smoke it's time for a cold one and relax.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: winemakers on February 20, 2008, 04:36:55 PM
I have to guiltily admit that my wife loves when I make sausage, and no not for the reasons you gutter dwellers are considering. 

While I cook 95% of our meals my cleaning skills are sometimes dependent on the dish fairy a fickle witch at best.  However, before and after I make sausage, you could schedule your vasectomy in my kitchen without fear of cross contamination.  The kitchen is never more spotless! 

I have come to rely on sanitizing wipes available from everyones bleach maker.  More expensive than bleach/water/rag but no laundry issue afterward!
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Stickbowcrafter on February 20, 2008, 06:02:09 PM
Water and white vinegar make a great 50/50 solution for wiping everything down before and after. You can even wipe down the meat with a clean paper towel dipped in this solution before cutting it up to remove any surface bacteria. White vinegar is some powerful stuff and way safer than bleach.

-Brian
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Mr Walleye on February 20, 2008, 06:50:07 PM
Not only that Stick... I use the same solution to clean the exterior of my boat. It does a fantastic job with hardwater scum lines, etc. I just have the mixture in a spray bottle and wipe it off with a towel. It only takes a few minutes to wipe the entire boat down even while on the road at tournaments. I go through tons of white vinegar.

Great stuff!

Mike
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Gizmo on February 20, 2008, 08:43:22 PM
White vinegar even works on sunburns.  ;)
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: coyote on February 20, 2008, 09:22:47 PM
How about snow blindness Giz? ???..........I just put my shovel away for the night..Whew :P

Coyote
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Gizmo on February 20, 2008, 09:47:12 PM
Never tried on that.   ;)

Now if you put some sugar water with food coloring in it, the kids may take care of it for you.   :P 
May have a few tongues to remove though.
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: dale_MT on May 13, 2008, 07:07:34 AM
I am new to this forum and am considering a Bradley smoker.  My smoking experience has been limited to ribs, turkeys, etc in an electric vertical smoker...no temp control..what you get is what you get.  I want to make andouille sausage which is cold smoked.  From what I gather on the forum, temperature control is pretty critical for sausage.  Am I correct that the old style Bradley requires the addition of some type of PID (which I gather is a digital temperature controller???) in order to achieve the narrow temperature band required?  If that is the case, it seems the newer DBS is what I want. 

Any input is really appreciated.  I am getting tired of carrying andouille from Lafayette, LA to Montana in my suitcase (I live in constant fear that some TSA agent is going to decide those sausages might really be some form of explosive -other than gastro-ontestinal!).   ;D
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Lefty_Smoker on May 13, 2008, 07:32:19 AM
In a nutshell, the original Bradley has a slider type temp control.  When the knob is slid all the way to the left, the unit is OFF, when the knob is slid all the way to the right, it is FULL ON.  It is up to you to figure out where the slider knob needs to be to get your desired temp.  As long as you aren't opening the door every 10 minutes, the original is plenty capable of maintaining stable enough temps to make sausage, you just have to play with it until the temps stabilize, then it is just a matter of keeping any eye on it and making small adjustments to the slider to maintain your desired temp.

The Digital uses the same heating element, it just has a thermostat built in that turns the heating element ON or OFF.   Say you set the temp control for 220F, the unit will heat up, then once it hits 220F, it will shut off, it may overshoot 220F a bit on the way.  Now that the heating element has switched off, the temp will begin to fall and then once again, the element will turn back ON when the temp drops a certain amount.  So it still does vary as the heating element cycles on and off.  Since you are essentially heating/cooking with a 500w light bulb, there is a bit of lag so the unit tends to overshoot/undershoot your programmed temp.  Some people think it varies a bit too much, others are fine with the amount of fluctuation.

For the ultimate in temp control, many people have started using PID controllers which can maintain much tighter control of temps, but at added cost and complexity of course.
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: Mr Walleye on May 13, 2008, 02:28:09 PM
Welcome to the forum Dale!

Lefty did a great job explaining things. The only thing I would add is if your primary purpose will be for sausage, I would probably go with the OBS and a PID or the DIGIQ/Raptor by BBQ Guru. I have a DBS and have since added a PID which works great, especially for things like sausage. There are a few here that have gone with the DIGIQ/Raptor and are very happy, although this option costs slightly more.

Here is a link to building a PID.
http://susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?p=504#post504

Here is a link to the DIGIQ/Raptor.
http://www.thebbqguru.com/bbqDigiQ.cfm

Mike
Title: Re: General sausage knowledge exchange
Post by: dale_MT on May 20, 2008, 06:05:57 AM
Thank you for the insight.  I will take a look at both of those options.