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Title: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 02, 2009, 11:02:11 AM

Bambis are dropping around here, and I'm getting some inquiries (will smoke for Beer ;)) about smoking up some venison..

As I know diddly about it, what would anyone recommend?  Any particular cut?
I don't think they are interested in jerky/sausage, I think they are thinking along the lines of a 'roast'..

They haven't processed the deer yet, that is this afternoon.

TIA!
Title: Re: venison
Post by: KevinG on December 02, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
Backstraps (New York boneless Strip) are the second best cut you can eat. Tenderloins are a little on the small side, but they are the best, as far as tenderness goes.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 02, 2009, 11:17:44 AM
Cool, thanks!

A coworker is getting two processed this afternoon and wanted to know what to get.  (along with the ground stuff, etc.)

 
Title: Re: venison
Post by: HawkeyeSmokes on December 02, 2009, 11:28:49 AM
Watch your finished IT with it. Venison dries out quick if over cooked.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 02, 2009, 11:30:09 AM
10-4.  I'd probably go to the minimum, then cool/vackpak for them to reheat.

Title: Re: venison
Post by: justpete on December 02, 2009, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: squirtthecat on December 02, 2009, 11:30:09 AM
10-4.  I'd probably go to the minimum, then cool/vackpak for them to reheat.


What about possibly cold smoke and finish on the grill ?
Title: Re: venison
Post by: Tenpoint5 on December 02, 2009, 07:08:11 PM
The heck with that just get a whole loin and make Venison Canadian Bacon or   VCB


(http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=8264.0)
Quote from: Tenpoint5 on October 22, 2009, 02:05:43 PM
JD,
I made some VCB last year and it turned out Awfully good. I didn't use Habs recipe. I  kinda followed the directions from Morton's Salt which is:

Canadian Bacon     

Prep Time: 20 minutes; refrigerate 3-5 days
Servings: 1 pork loin, cut into 1/8 inch thick slices
   
Ingredients
1 boneless pork loin
1 tablespoon Morton® Tender Quick® mix or Morton® Sugar Cure® (Plain) mix per pound of loin
1 teaspoon sugar per pound of loin    

Directions
Trim fat from pork loin. Mix Morton® Tender Quick® mix or Morton® Sugar Cure® (Plain) mix and sugar. Rub mixture into the loin. Place loin in "food grade" plastic bag; tie open end. Refrigerate and allow to cure for 3-5 days. Remove from cure. Soak loin in cool water for 30 minutes; pat dry.

I added a splash of Maple syrup and used Brown sugar. I only let it cure for 3 days but will go for 4 days this year. I applied smoke and heated to 152* but got sidetracked and it went higher.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 02, 2009, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: Tenpoint5 on December 02, 2009, 07:08:11 PM
The heck with that just get a whole loin and make Venison Canadian Bacon or   VCB
(http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=8264.0)

Oh hell...  If I did that, I'd have to tell him I ruined it and had to throw it out!  (while secretly munching on it at work for the rest of the winter)

Title: Re: venison
Post by: hal4uk on December 02, 2009, 07:24:12 PM
STC...

Bring it on over. 
You CAN'T goof up and dry it out on Tex.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: Tenpoint5 on December 02, 2009, 07:29:36 PM
Hal even taking it to 163* IT it didn't dry out on me. The other batch I made was pulled at 152* disappeared just as fast! You guys should give it a try in the Bradley!!
Title: Re: venison
Post by: hal4uk on December 02, 2009, 07:41:49 PM
I'm just sayin'...

You know I think the Bradley makes a better product...
But if there's any concern about dryin' it out...

Maybe split it up - try half in Smokin' Tex...
I dunno.  I'm a cow/pig/chicken guy.  Just an idea (?)
I do know I use a LOT of sugar in rubs for ribs/butts to get the caramelization/bark I want.
The idea of dryin' out in the Smokin' Tex is - well - far-fetched.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 02, 2009, 07:47:30 PM
Quote from: hal4uk
The idea of dryin' out in the Smokin' Tex is - well - far-fetched.

Quote from: Tenpoint5
You guys should give it a try in the Bradley!!

I smell a throwdown brewing...   
Title: Re: venison
Post by: hal4uk on December 02, 2009, 07:54:39 PM
Call Bobby Flay.  He can bring his skillet.
At least I'll come in second...
Title: Re: venison
Post by: Tenpoint5 on December 02, 2009, 08:17:47 PM
Nope NO throw down it wouldn't be fair I have done 8 or 10 VCB's, and poor Hal hasn't done one yet. Give it a try in the tex and let me know how it turns out.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 03, 2009, 04:39:38 AM
He said they had the loins (they ended up with 2 does, a la 'FreePas') cut into chops.   I guess I get to experiment with a top sirloin roast.  ???
Title: Re: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 03, 2009, 05:17:47 AM
Quote1 tablespoon Morton® Tender Quick® mix or Morton® Sugar Cure® (Plain) mix per pound of loin

What is Morton's Sugar Cure?   Never seen that around here...   I can get Tender Quick at a few places nearby.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: FLBentRider on December 03, 2009, 05:49:36 AM
http://www.mortonsalt.com/products/meatcuring/sugarcure.html
Title: Re: venison
Post by: KevinG on December 03, 2009, 06:29:09 AM
Quote from: squirtthecat on December 03, 2009, 04:39:38 AM
He said they had the loins (they ended up with 2 does, a la 'FreePas') cut into chops.   I guess I get to experiment with a top sirloin roast.  ???


It's all good, smokers are made for tougher cuts of meat anyhow. But don't worry, it's not like shoe leather, most people can't tell the difference anyhow. I've served top round, bottom round, eye of round, and backstraps all with excellent results.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: squirtthecat on December 03, 2009, 06:33:36 AM
Quote from: KevinG on December 03, 2009, 06:29:09 AM
It's all good, smokers are made for tougher cuts of meat anyhow. But don't worry, it's not like shoe leather, most people can't tell the difference anyhow. I've served top round, bottom round, eye of round, and backstraps all with excellent results.

Good deal.   I'll wander through the recipe site and see what others have done with the various roasts..

Maybe a simple brine, then a simple rub.   Or I can hit it with some CT, I've got boat loads of that..


I think they normally do theirs in the dreaded 'crock pot', so this will be an order of magnitude better to begin with!
Title: Re: venison
Post by: bear@70 on December 03, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
I just deboned both hind quarters and cleaned.Took cheese cloth and sowed each quarter into its own bag just like a ham for hanging in smoke house.
First used Tender-Quick(  1.   4 cups water to one cup Tender-Quick   
                                    2.   4 T brown sugar
                                    3.   2 heaping T garlic powder
                                    4.   1 T white pepper or less use your taste
                                    5.   Inject meat with this using needle
                                    6.   put meat into crock and keep mixing tender-Quick using recipe on back of bag
                                          until meat is completely covered also added juniperberrys and more brown sugar
                                          weight down with plate to keep meat under brine must be kept at 38 or lower
                                          if not you must add more salt or just put in frig.keep in brine for 1 day per pound of meat. 10 pounds=10 days i did two ten pounds =10 days.Air dry meat 2 hours put in smoker open damper wide open,set smoker temp at 130-40 degrees,for one hour or until out side of meat is dry.Close damper and smoke I use cherry or what ever your taste.Increase smokier temp to 175 and hold until internal temp of meat reaches152and cool and hang in cold for week or so mold mite grow don't worry trim of when ready to slice into chipped like beef.Instead of waiting for a week I use my commercial Dehydrator.Old way is start smoking at125 and hold 12 hours drop temp to 115 smoke up to 10 hours (i like 2 hours) and hold at temp with no smoke for several days.Expect about 40% shrink (NOW YOU HAVE MADE DRIED/SMOKED BEEF VENISON)
Title: Re: venison
Post by: FLBentRider on December 03, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
W E L C O M E  to the Forum bear@70!
Title: Re: venison
Post by: OU812 on December 03, 2009, 01:30:03 PM
Welcome to the fun bear@70

I do dried deer quite often, almost the same way, I let mine dry in the fridge and have never got mold.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: pensrock on December 03, 2009, 02:17:48 PM
Sounds pretty good, however I never close my vent the whole way as you suggested.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: KevinG on December 04, 2009, 09:06:41 AM
Another good way if you're overly concerned about drying out is to get a larding needle and inject some bacon and wrap it in bacon. It does an excellent job of keeping the meat moist and adds that bacon flavor to it.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: classicrockgriller on December 04, 2009, 10:32:48 AM
Take some of the backstrap  and cut about 1/4 inch medallions. Place in a food bag and kinda flatten them.

Sprinkle a little seasoning, add a slice of onion, jalapeno, cheese. Roll that up and wrap in bacon and smoke or grill.
Title: Re: venison
Post by: Buck36 on December 04, 2009, 06:16:41 PM
I did Hab's Canadian bacon recipe on one backstrap and a brown sugar cure from Butcher & Packer from a doe this year. They both turned out fantastic.

Experiment and see what you like. If it turns out bad, then get back out into the woods!