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Title: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 02, 2010, 09:30:45 PM
I have seen some post of people saying they couldn't find Juniper Berries.

They are available thru Allied Kenco.

They run about $3.50 for a 2oz jar.

If I can help getting some to you, I will pick them up and revac seal and send them in

a USPS small packer box. You could probably get 4 to 5 vac pkgs in a box if you need that many.

I will be going back to Allied Kenco probably on Monday.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: KevinG on February 03, 2010, 04:22:50 AM
Are those things like blueberrys, meaning they go bad. (Fresh fruit kinda thing) or are they like a spice where they will stay good for a while?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: deb415611 on February 03, 2010, 04:25:13 AM
Kevin,

they are dried   http://www.thespicehouse.com/spices/whole-juniper-berries   I get them at the spice house. 

Deb
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: FLBentRider on February 03, 2010, 04:31:32 AM
I found them at whole foods.

Dried in a jar. Mine are at least six months old and so far so good.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 05:53:55 AM
I pick mine up from Penzeys Spices, they have mail order too.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: 3rensho on February 03, 2010, 06:12:34 AM
Every grocery store here stocks them.  Can't have sauerkraut or a schlachtplatte without them  ;D
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: mow_delon on February 03, 2010, 06:19:47 AM
can one pick them from juniper bushes or cedar trees and dehydrate them to last all year?

What do you season with juniper berries, anyway?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 06:22:10 AM
Quote from: classicrockgriller on February 02, 2010, 09:30:45 PM
I will be going back to Allied Kenco probably on Monday.

Watch your speed this time.  ;D

I could use some Worcestershire Powder but dont need the hole 26 oz bottle.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 03, 2010, 06:32:13 AM
Quote from: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 06:22:10 AM
Quote from: classicrockgriller on February 02, 2010, 09:30:45 PM
I will be going back to Allied Kenco probably on Monday.

Watch your speed this time.  ;D

I could use some Worcestershire Powder but dont need the hole 26 oz bottle.

What do you use that for?

If it is something I would use, I'll split it with you.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 06:41:06 AM
I put it in my dry rub, it also goes great on brisket or a steak.

It works great when your doing something dry that you want the taste.

Dont use allot but it hits the spot.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: squirtthecat on February 03, 2010, 06:51:02 AM

QuoteWorcestershire Powder

I wouldn't mind getting some as well..
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 06:54:10 AM
Quote from: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 06:41:06 AM
Dont use allot but it hits the spot.

Hey, I made a rhyme.  ;D  I'm a poet and dont even know it.  ::)
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 03, 2010, 06:56:08 AM
Quote from: squirtthecat on February 03, 2010, 06:51:02 AM

QuoteWorcestershire Powder

I wouldn't mind getting some as well..

OK ... Will pick some up and will let you guys know.

Plans are to go "slowly" on Monday. ;D
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: seemore on February 03, 2010, 07:35:52 AM
We are going to pick some up. 
Mrs
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: FLBentRider on February 03, 2010, 07:46:24 AM
We use them for sauerbraten.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: KevinG on February 03, 2010, 12:31:55 PM
I wouldn't mind a jar if you can squeeze it in.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 03, 2010, 01:22:12 PM
Juniper berries?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: KevinG on February 03, 2010, 06:22:56 PM
Yea, I think I've got a couple of recipes that call for it.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 03, 2010, 06:28:50 PM
1 bottle?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Caneyscud on February 04, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
Quote from: mow_delon on February 03, 2010, 06:19:47 AM
can one pick them from juniper bushes or cedar trees and dehydrate them to last all year?

What do you season with juniper berries, anyway?
Perhaps you aren't familiar with juniper berries as a recipe ingredient but if you have ever indulged in a gin and tonic, you have tasted them.  Juniper is what gives gin its unique flavor.  Also, the Slovak national alcoholic beverage borovicka (or something like that) is also flavored with juniper berries.  In Finland, juniper is used as a key ingredient in making sahti, a traditional Finnish ale.

Most juniper fruit used for recipes is Juniperus communis, while some is, Juniperus virginiana or red cedar. You can forage and dry your own, but the best come from the Mediterranean region.  Supposedly, juniper berries will become tasteless after long storage, but I have some that are at least 5 years old and still have flavor. 

Juniper berries are often used in long and slow wild game (venison) cooking although they compliment beef and pork as well.  I've used them in sauerbraten and corned beef.  They are sometimes used in sauerkraut and would not be out of place with other hearty vegetables - especially cabbage. Use in marinades and sauces particularly those with black pepper, garlic, thyme, or rosemary and wine.   During the Roman Empire, the dried berries replaced pepper.  The dried berries should be crushed well just before using. You won't need many, three or four of the berries will flavor most dishes without overpowering the main ingredient or other seasonings.     

Obligatory warning:   One of juniper's components is a known diuretic that causes irritation to kidney functions. This potential is why pregnant women and those suffering from kidney ailments are warned away juniper's food use.  However it is most potent in the fresh berries and by the time the berries are dried and cured, most of these oils have deteriorated.   

However, the best use I have found for juniper berries I find in old materia medica,  crush and put on the (lets just say sensitive body parts of both sexes) before (ahemmm, blushing now) as a contraceptive.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: KevinG on February 04, 2010, 08:30:21 AM
Yea, just one bottle should be good. I can't seem to find my recipes that use it, but I think that'd suffice.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: FLBentRider on February 04, 2010, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Caneyscud on February 04, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
However, the best use I have found for juniper berries I find in old materia medica,  crush and put on the (lets just say sensitive body parts of both sexes) before (ahemmm, blushing now) as a contraceptive.

Would that be before or after the gin ?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: 3rensho on February 04, 2010, 09:06:05 AM
QuoteWhat do you season with juniper berries, anyway?

In addition to the Sauerkraut and Schlachtplatte that I referred to above, they are used in grad school to make a very palatable gin with the addition of additional ingredients like cardamom.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Quarlow on February 04, 2010, 09:31:02 AM
Quote from: 3rensho on February 04, 2010, 09:06:05 AM
QuoteWhat do you season with juniper berries, anyway?

In addition to the Sauerkraut and Schlachtplatte that I referred to above, they are used in grad school to make a very palatable gin with the addition of additional ingredients like cardamom.
Now there's a recipe I am interested in!!!! Caramom you say..... and is there anything else you'd like to tell us about this. ;D ;D ;D Strictly for medicinal purposes of course. ::) :-X
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: 3rensho on February 04, 2010, 10:48:52 PM
It's been a few decades but we used 95% ethanol and juniper berries, lemon peel, cardamom, a tiny bit of cinnamon stick and probably other things I've forgotten.  Reflux for one hour, distill off the 95% azeotrope and dilute to desired drinking strength with water.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Habanero Smoker on February 05, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
Quote from: 3rensho on February 04, 2010, 10:48:52 PM
It's been a few decades but we used 95% ethanol and juniper berries, lemon peel, cardamom, a tiny bit of cinnamon stick and probably other things I've forgotten.  Reflux for one hour, distill off the 95% azeotrope and dilute to desired drinking strength with water.

These days it is difficult to get 95% grain alcohol in New York. If I use 75.5% grain neutral spirits, will that work, and just dilute it with a 40% vodka? I don't have the means to distill, but will strain. I do this when I make flavored vodka's and limoncello.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: 3rensho on February 05, 2010, 05:21:42 AM
Oh yeah, the 75% will work just fine Habs.  Just reflux, cool, filter and dilute to desired drinking strength.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 05, 2010, 05:51:56 AM
Quote from: FLBentRider on February 04, 2010, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Caneyscud on February 04, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
However, the best use I have found for juniper berries I find in old materia medica,  crush and put on the (lets just say sensitive body parts of both sexes) before (ahemmm, blushing now) as a contraceptive.

Would that be before or after the gin ?

Think I will pick up an extra bottle or two.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Quarlow on February 05, 2010, 08:58:26 AM
Yeah I'm thinking that it's easier to buy it. I have no idea what he's talking about. But Habs I would like the recipe for limoncello. I saw Alton make it on Good Eats the other night and of course they say if you would like any of the recipes you saw on the food network shows to go to the website. I have never found the recipes I have tried to find once.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 05, 2010, 09:03:18 AM
Q what day was it?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Quarlow on February 05, 2010, 09:40:27 AM
Wednesday night
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 05, 2010, 09:53:54 AM
He wasn't on wensday! ?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Quarlow on February 05, 2010, 10:05:52 AM
Ok maybe it was monday or tuesday. I don't even know the days anymore. I thought yesterday was friday till I couldn't find the show I wanted. I watched it at 12:30 at night so it could have been a repeat. In fact it is on every night on our network.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: KevinG on February 05, 2010, 12:09:41 PM
CRG - go ahead and up mine to 4 jars total. PM me your address & how much cash you'll need for them, shipping and your troubles and I'll get it out to you.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 05, 2010, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: KevinG on February 05, 2010, 12:09:41 PM
CRG - go ahead and up mine to 4 jars total. PM me your address & how much cash you'll need for them, shipping and your troubles and I'll get it out to you.

Ok, will do!

I'll pick them up and try to decide the lowest way to ship to you.

I really don't see any reason why you couldn't vac pak them for storage

and maybe freeze them.

If someone reads this and has a comment let us know!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Habanero Smoker on February 05, 2010, 01:29:47 PM
Quote from: 3rensho on February 05, 2010, 05:21:42 AM
Oh yeah, the 75% will work just fine Habs.  Just reflux, cool, filter and dilute to desired drinking strength.

Thanks. I'm going to give this a try.


Quote from: Quarlow on February 05, 2010, 08:58:26 AM
Yeah I'm thinking that it's easier to buy it. I have no idea what he's talking about. But Habs I would like the recipe for limoncello. I saw Alton make it on Good Eats the other night and of course they say if you would like any of the recipes you saw on the food network shows to go to the website. I have never found the recipes I have tried to find once.
No problem. Just remember to use white refine sugar. I use raw organic sugar and it made it look like a thin pea soup.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 05, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
We still a go on the worcestershire powder?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 05, 2010, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: OU812 on February 05, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
We still a go on the worcestershire powder?

Got it down on paper.

Am 95% sure I am heading that way Monday.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: TTNuge on February 05, 2010, 06:19:08 PM
Mmmmmmm limoncello.  Time to look for that recipe again.  Maybe about 3 batches in a few months and then like most things, forgot about it.  I need to make some again.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 08, 2010, 03:41:11 PM
Picked up 6 jars of Juniper Berries (4 are spoken for)

2 jars of worcestershire powder (each is 29oz net weight)

Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 08, 2010, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: classicrockgriller on February 08, 2010, 03:41:11 PM
Picked up 6 jars of Juniper Berries (4 are spoken for)

2 jars of worcestershire powder (each is 29oz net weight)



Sweet.

I thought the worcester0re were 26 oz bottles, oh well. I could go for half a bottle, let me know what you need and when.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 08, 2010, 04:31:29 PM
OU, pm me your shipping addy
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: squirtthecat on February 08, 2010, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: OU812 on February 08, 2010, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: classicrockgriller on February 08, 2010, 03:41:11 PM
Picked up 6 jars of Juniper Berries (4 are spoken for)

2 jars of worcestershire powder (each is 29oz net weight)



Sweet.

I thought the worcester0re were 26 oz bottles, oh well. I could go for half a bottle, let me know what you need and when.

I'll take the other 1/2 of his!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 08, 2010, 08:10:12 PM
Quote from: squirtthecat on February 08, 2010, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: OU812 on February 08, 2010, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: classicrockgriller on February 08, 2010, 03:41:11 PM
Picked up 6 jars of Juniper Berries (4 are spoken for)

2 jars of worcestershire powder (each is 29oz net weight)



Sweet.

I thought the worcester0re were 26 oz bottles, oh well. I could go for half a bottle, let me know what you need and when.

I'll take the other 1/2 of his!


You got it!

Pm and let me know where to send!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 08, 2010, 08:11:11 PM
BTW, it was a 26oz container.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: ExpatCanadian on February 09, 2010, 04:21:54 AM

Quote from: Caneyscud on February 04, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
Also, the Slovak national alcoholic beverage borovicka (or something like that) is also flavored with juniper berries.

How funny! Got a bit behind in my forum reading, but I am actually IN Slovakia as I type this....  I am working here in Bratislava for a couple days before heading on to our Budapest office tomorrow afternoon.  I'm a big fan of local beverages, I particularly like Becherovka from the Czech Republic, but it looks like Borovička is a bit different.  I'll DEFINITELY be trying some this evening!

For interest, here is the Wikipedia page I found on it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borovička (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borovička)

Thanks for the heads up...  I'll report back tomorrow how it was....  and how bad the headache is too  ;)

Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Caneyscud on February 09, 2010, 07:09:23 AM
Quote from: ExpatCanadian on February 09, 2010, 04:21:54 AM

Quote from: Caneyscud on February 04, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
Also, the Slovak national alcoholic beverage borovicka (or something like that) is also flavored with juniper berries.

How funny! Got a bit behind in my forum reading, but I am actually IN Slovakia as I type this....  I am working here in Bratislava for a couple days before heading on to our Budapest office tomorrow afternoon.  I'm a big fan of local beverages, I particularly like Becherovka from the Czech Republic, but it looks like Borovička is a bit different.  I'll DEFINITELY be trying some this evening!

For interest, here is the Wikipedia page I found on it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borovička (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borovička)

Thanks for the heads up...  I'll report back tomorrow how it was....  and how bad the headache is too  ;)


One of the great things about this forum, is that there is always field testers on the ground willing to go that extra mile to get the information that we all crave.  Thanks for your time and all the wear and tear on your body Expat!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: Tob on February 10, 2010, 12:38:42 PM
I have a friend who harvests wild juniper berries every summer, he just puts them in burlap sacks and hangs them in the kitchen. He and his wife use them throughout the winter in soups, stews and for home made gin.
From what he has said, the berries do not lose any appreciable amount of flavour.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: ExpatCanadian on February 11, 2010, 05:24:29 AM
Well, having just regained conciousness after my sampling of Slovakian spirits the other night...... :D I can report that Borovička is really quite pleasant...  I had a couple shots of it, and then asked the bartender to recommend something else traditional. I went with the "Slivovica" which is a cousin to Borovička, except made with Plums and matured in barrels for 3 years.  Now that one I REALLY liked, but had to stop after 2....  at 53% alcohol, I was starting to get a bit wobbly!

I'm in Budapest now... looking forward to sampling a few bevvies this evening.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: KevinG on February 11, 2010, 01:26:28 PM
Woo Hoo, they showed up today!

(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz53/63KevinG/Bradley%20General/JuniperBerries.jpg)

Thanks CRG!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 11, 2010, 02:16:13 PM
Was glad to do it for ya Kevin!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: KevinG on February 11, 2010, 03:48:24 PM
You're alright, I don't care what Hal says about you.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 11, 2010, 03:49:56 PM
Quote from: KevinG on February 11, 2010, 03:48:24 PM
You're alright, I don't care what Hal says about you.  ;) :D

I might would listen to hal if I could understand him. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 12, 2010, 05:40:27 AM
Got my stuff lastnight, Thanks CRG.

(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0059-1.jpg)

My part is in the snail mail.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 12, 2010, 09:11:10 AM
Good deal OU!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 12, 2010, 09:14:42 AM
Oh Ya

Could you take a picture of the label, front and back?

So I can put it on the Bottle I'm goin to use.

Thanks my friend.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 12, 2010, 09:54:17 AM
(http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af165/classicrockgriller/MISC/SDC11437.jpg)

Has no back label

"Legg's" Old Planatation Seasonings

    WORCESTERSHIRE POWDER

filled by weight
net weight 260z

Blended of Corn Syrup Solids,
Salt, Caramel Color, Garlic,
Sugar, Spices, Natural Flavor,
And Tamarinds.

Contains Potential Allergens:
Wheat, Soy

P O Box 709
Calera, Al 35040

Lot # 155137
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: OU812 on February 12, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
Thanks CRG

Let me know when my part gets there, will ya?
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: squirtthecat on February 13, 2010, 12:34:58 PM

CRG, I got mine today as well!

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 13, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
If I can ever help again, just let me know.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: squirtthecat on February 13, 2010, 05:20:40 PM

You da man..
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: classicrockgriller on February 13, 2010, 05:24:20 PM
SCT, Got your mail today Mr.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Whole Juniper Berries
Post by: squirtthecat on February 13, 2010, 05:33:56 PM

Good deal.

Now I need to find..

1. a container to put this stuff in
2. a killer recipe to use it with!