Anyone have a Cabela's motorized stuffer and has a picture of the spline. I've asked before but can't find it LOL.
Thank
John
I do but its at home, its a spline shaft.
Here's a link to a post by Mike (Mr Walleye) of the Cabelas stuffer motor shaft.
http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=11460.0
Thanks HawkeyeSmokes, I could not find it must be time for a #5...
Yea, it has a real spline on the shaft and mine has a funny looking spline.
After stuffing the snack sticks the other day, I renewed my quest for a motor on my stuffer...
Thanks
John
Do you have an indexing head for your mill John?
Either that or use a rod and mill offset keys into them, make them just a little bigger. You might get some backlash, but we're talking sausage making.
Its all doable, just need the stuffer motor for sizes of the spline. I would imagine that the spline is a common size. If so, the part should be able to be bought off the shelf.
Ask Mike for the dimensions of the spline.
Lump
BJT you can buy parts here, maybe you could replace your shaft with a new one
http://www.texastastes.com/p519.htm
Quote from: lumpy on February 03, 2010, 07:54:40 AM
Do you have an indexing head for your mill John?
Either that or use a rod and mill offset keys into them, make them just a little bigger. You might get some backlash, but we're talking sausage making.
Its all doable, just need the stuffer motor for sizes of the spline. I would imagine that the spline is a common size. If so, the part should be able to be bought off the shelf.
Ask Mike for the dimensions of the spline.
Lump
The big problem is my spline is not standard but a star looking thing... no indexing head :( Maybe if I can find a shaft with std splines
John
Quote from: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 09:45:00 AM
BJT you can buy parts here, maybe you could replace your shaft with a new one
http://www.texastastes.com/p519.htm
John
Go down to the middle of the page they have the shaft your lookin for.
I was looking at that and I'd have to take mine apart and see if they are close. It does say for the 20 & 30 pounders and mine is an 11 pound stuffer.
John
It was worth a shot, may be call them and see if they have one for the 11 lb
You bet it is worth a shot, it's closer than I've ever been ;D If that works then I have to find a Cabela's motor... they are out of stock with no back orders.
Thanks
John
I thought that the Cabelas was OEM'd from Weston. You might want to try them.
Quote from: FLBentRider on February 03, 2010, 12:11:47 PM
I thought that the Cabelas was OEM'd from Weston. You might want to try them.
Yes
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 03, 2010, 12:05:50 PM
You bet it is worth a shot, it's closer than I've ever been ;D If that works then I have to find a Cabela's motor... they are out of stock with no back orders.
Thanks
John
That same site sells the motors too.
But they are UNAVAILABLE TILL FURTHER NOTICE
John
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 03, 2010, 12:31:29 PM
But they are UNAVAILABLE TILL FURTHER NOTICE
John
Oh, didnt know the were sold out also.
You didnt need to yell. ;D
I didn't yell, I just copy and pasted from the site ;D
John
John
A little off topic, but can you put teeth back on the vert. shaft of a stuffer?
Do you have a picture of it?
John
I can get one.
The shaft is from a Cabela's / Weston 11 lb stuffer, just like you have but the newer model.
The manufacturer of the stuffer motor might have a pdf file for repair of the motor assembly.
I'm assuming that the man. uses off the shelf spline rather than make their own.
Maybe call the repair department and they might even tell you the pattern/sizes of the spline.
Lump
The splines on the Cabelas motor assembly look like they are square.
Take the ID of the female part, use new shafting and mill two keystocks cutouts onto the shaft. You won't need an indexing head for this.
Take this new part, bore hole on the end to fit the stuffer shaft and use a set screw to mate to the flat on the stuffer.
What also needs to be done is some kind of motor clamps to stop it from spinning on you.
I'm thinking out loud here.
Lump
BigJohn
I bought my motor for mine directly from Weston Supply. It was a rebuilt unit with full warranty. I can't remember the price for sure but I think it was something like $140. They don't list them on the web site but they quit often have them if you call.
http://www.westonsupply.com/
Mike
Quote from: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 01:11:23 PM
I can get one.
The shaft is from a Cabela's / Weston 11 lb stuffer, just like you have but the newer model.
Mine is not the Weston stuffer and there in lies the problem for me. Mine is a Sportsman
http://www.homedepot.com/Kitchen-Kitchen-Tools/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5Zaqzo/R-100646980/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
John
Mike,
Thanks for the tip. I might end up getting a Weston just to avoid the hassle of trying to adapt from one to another.
John
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 03, 2010, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: OU812 on February 03, 2010, 01:11:23 PM
I can get one.
The shaft is from a Cabela's / Weston 11 lb stuffer, just like you have but the newer model.
Mine is not the Weston stuffer and there in lies the problem for me. Mine is a Sportsman
http://www.homedepot.com/Kitchen-Kitchen-Tools/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5Zaqzo/R-100646980/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
John
I will get a picture tonight.
Ok
JT
Got some pictures for ya.
This is the spline shaft that the motor connects to.
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/Feb03_0003.jpg)
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/Feb03_0005.jpg)
This is the shaft I was wounderin if you could put teeth back on.
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/Feb03_0009.jpg)
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/Feb03_0006.jpg)
Let me know if you need more.
OU812,
That don't look good. I don't think I can do much with that. So I wonder what were you doing when you broke them?
Thanks for the pic of the splines.
Thanks
John
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 05, 2010, 07:36:20 AM
OU812,
That don't look good. I don't think I can do much with that. So I wonder what were you doing when you broke them?
Thanks for the pic of the splines.
Thanks
John
Thats the way it came, they had problems with people breakin the plunger by bottoming it out, so to stop that from happening again they ground off the teeth at the factory.
They ground off too many, and it leaves about 3/4" of meat in the bottom of the stuffer.
Thanks anyway, it was worth a try.
Just a thought could you add a shim between the disk and the shaft?
JT
Ok JT how about we take your 11lb stuffer and put a big pneumatic cylinder on it pushing on the piston. For control we use a adjustable electronic proportional pressure control with a 0-10 VDC or 4-20mA signal hooked up to some sort of knob. For example your stuffing some sausage and you turn up the signal to 8 VDC and get an output of 80 psi say on a 5" bore you get 1570 lbs of pressure (ok maybe a smaller cylinder) and when you want to slow down you crank the signal to 0. For the retract we run full line pressure and use a flow control so it doesn't retract too fast.
What do you think?
SIA
How about the brake pot from a semi's airbrakes and a electric compressor. If you rig it with a 3 way valve you can put air pressure to the pot as needed and release pressure so it will stop pushing product out when you don't want anything to come out. I you got a small brake pot like an 18" it would not be to big and bulky. I have a 28" that I rebuilt back when they would still sell us the parts, but it might be to big for this. Someday I will find a use for it. Actually now that I think about it you would probably want something like a tailgate actuator from a dumptruck, it's the same thing just smaller.
I do have a couple of linear slides left over :o from a job...
John
Don't they make electric actuators? (not sure if that is the correct word?)
Quote from: squirtthecat on February 09, 2010, 07:00:02 AM
Don't they make electric actuators? (not sure if that is the correct word?)
They sure do make those!
Not sure how to make one that would backup to release the pressure when you stop so that the meat quits coming out the stuffer tube though. ???
Usually they are DC and you just change the + and - wires to reverse unless it is an AC one then you swap a different wire. The only drawback is the price on electric actuators. For 12" stroke and 500 lb force your looking at $500.
JT
You could pick up a hydraulic cylinder at a farm auction for next to nothing..
Sanitation would be a issue, then. ::)
We just did some scrounging and came up with a couple of pneumatic cylinders to try out...
John
JT, I tried the snack sticks this morning now and they are a way better texture than I thought last night when I tried one hot off the smoker. I will save a sample to bring with me, if I can keep these kids from eating it all for breakfast.
You can tell my wifes out of town, for dinner last night we had a pound of bacon, ravioli's from a can, cake (made by my 14 year old), and what earned my the title of best cook ever from my 7 year old, bacon grease fried hot dogs...
SIA
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 08, 2010, 11:33:29 AM
Just a thought could you add a shim between the disk and the shaft?
JT
I have used a piece of foam but it dont last very long. Been thinkin about gettin another shaft but thats $90 now I'm thinkin about another piston sat in the stuffer then the original piston pushin the new one to the bottom, kinda like I was doin with the foam.
Sure would be nice to weld the area where the teeth were ground off back up and grind back into shape then cut the teeth back in. The weldin part would be easy but cuttin the teeth I'm still workin on.
Quotebacon grease fried hot dogs
Holy cow...
Something for tonight (http://www.claytonimos.com/images/header450.jpg)
If you took your time with a 4 1/2 grinder and cut off wheels you could shape the tooth well enough.
JT
Quote from: OU812 on February 09, 2010, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 08, 2010, 11:33:29 AM
Just a thought could you add a shim between the disk and the shaft?
JT
I have used a piece of foam but it dont last very long. Been thinkin about gettin another shaft but thats $90 now I'm thinkin about another piston sat in the stuffer then the original piston pushin the new one to the bottom, kinda like I was doin with the foam.
I was thinking more on the lines of a longer set screw with a metal spacer to position the piston lower but that might not work if you can't load the cannister...
JT
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 09, 2010, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: OU812 on February 09, 2010, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 08, 2010, 11:33:29 AM
Just a thought could you add a shim between the disk and the shaft?
JT
I have used a piece of foam but it dont last very long. Been thinkin about gettin another shaft but thats $90 now I'm thinkin about another piston sat in the stuffer then the original piston pushin the new one to the bottom, kinda like I was doin with the foam.
I was thinking more on the lines of a longer set screw with a metal spacer to position the piston lower but that might not work if you can't load the cannister...
JT
Tried that idea and you are right, you cant get the canister on.
Ok then get the welder out ;D
JT
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 09, 2010, 11:20:28 AM
Ok then get the welder out ;D
JT
Will do, and the grinder, maybe even the chop saw. Need to measure the width of the blade, the table on the chop saw would be nice for indexing the teeth.
I'd try and only put as much weld as needed to build up the tooth. Then dress it down till it works. You just need one more right?
John
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 09, 2010, 11:48:50 AM
I'd try and only put as much weld as needed to build up the tooth. Then dress it down till it works. You just need one more right?
John
More like one inch of teeth, guesin about 10.
Need the shaft to down about another 3/4" more.
Oh, that will be a worse pia to do. If you do I'd do one tooth at time... if you had another shaft for a pitch gauge it would be easier to get them ground to near enough... and the second shaft would keep you from getting the teeth too near or far from the true pitch. I was going to say something about missing teeth but better not LOL.
John
Now do you see why I was askin for help from the PRO ? ;D
If you don't care if it gets messed up send it to me and I'll see what I can do with it 8)
John
OU812,
Is there any concern that the dual tubes might flow differently?
JT
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 10, 2010, 06:28:39 AM
OU812,
Is there any concern that the dual tubes might flow differently?
JT
Nope
I have a dual tube on my jerky cannon and once both tubes are full they flow evenly.
Ok, I was just wondering out loud...
JT
OU812,
I need to know the OD of 19mm collagen casings to make sure the spacing between the tubes is correct. I only have 17mm here atm.
I can see it now the Doppelt Snack Stick Stuffer...
;D ;D ;D ;D
JT
Does this help any?
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0591.jpg)
The flange is 2 1/8" and the 1 7/8" is the size of the hole of the locking ring.
I'll measure it again when I get home.
I dont have anything to measure in metric though.
Doppleganer
8) (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doppleganger)
It's hard to read some of your numbers but here's some conversions if you need them.
1/8" = 3.175 mm
1/4" = 6.35 mm
5/16" = 7.9375 mm
3/8" = 9.525 mm
1/2" = 12.7 mm
3/4" = 19.05 mm
7/16" = 11.1125 mm
1" = 25.4 mm
1 7/8" = 47.625 mm
Thanks Lump, I was woundrein what that word meant.
Thanks Kevin, That metric system is still greek to me.
John, got some better pictures.
This is the outside diameter of the casings.
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0060-1.jpg)
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0063-1.jpg)
This is the 1 7/8" I was talkin about.
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0062-1.jpg)
Here is a better shot of the spline on the stuffer.
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0064-1.jpg)
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0065-1.jpg)
This is how much closer to the front the shafts are than the ones on your stuffer. I think this would be the hardest part to make the motor work.
(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sides/PICT0067-1.jpg)
Can you tell I found my camera?
OU812,
Here is a 3-D image of the proposed Doppelt Snack Stick Stuffer. I moved the tubes a little closer together by 1/8" and it looks better to me. What do you think?
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DualSnackStick.jpg)
I'm leaning to making the stuffer pneumatic ;D
JT
PERFICT!
Thats exactly the way it looks in my pea brain.
What is the dimension between the tubes?
Goin pneumatic would be easier than tryin to mate the motor to your stuffer.
In between the tubes is 0.6875"
The circle shows where the ID of the cap is...
JT
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 12, 2010, 08:07:36 AM
In between the tubes is 0.6875"
The circle shows where the ID of the cap is...
JT
PERFICT!
11/16" is as close to 3/4" as I can ask for.
Thanks for all the help John, you ARE the MAN.
So you start with a blank cut out with the holes drilled...
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DualSnack01.jpg)
JT
And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.
So we drilled it out so that it would fit
And with a little bit of help with an A-daptor kit
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DualSnack02.jpg)
JT
We put it all together
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DualSnack03.jpg)
JT
Chuck it in the lathe and fasten it down for the ride...
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DualSnack04.jpg)
JT
Whittle it down to size
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DualSnack05.jpg)
OU812, how is it looking so far?
JT
Great...
Now I have the Johnny Cash song in my head....
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 12, 2010, 12:42:12 PM
Whittle it down to size
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DualSnack05.jpg)
OU812, how is it looking so far?
JT
PERFICT!
Like a dream come true!
I can hardly wait!
Damn you do good work, and I MEAN IT.
Thanks, I take a lot of pride in every thing I do... That's why I don't get much done :o
JT
Don't let him fool you he gets A LOT done, he just works smarter. Some of the machines they have built are beautiful.
SIA
Quote from: smokeitall on February 13, 2010, 10:31:13 AM
Don't let him fool you he gets A LOT done, he just works smarter. Some of the machines they have built are beautiful.
SIA
Just "some of the machines" :o
Ok, I did build an ugly machine when I was a little boy...
JT
Ohhh what is that hiding in the woods there?
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DoubleStuffer.jpg)
JT
Holy crap, I almost fell out of my chair.
That is exactly what I pictured, what a work of art, that is beautiful.
YOU ARE THE MAN!
PM me on what you need.
I think I'll have to do a quality test on it first ;D
I see a cardboard tube on the counter, I wonder what is in it ???
Don't have time to look just this second...
JT
Sweet, it just got better.
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 16, 2010, 03:46:52 PM
Ohhh what is that hiding in the woods there?
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Smokin/Stuffing/DoubleStuffer.jpg)
JT
I don't see a deer anywhere! How am I going to shoot it if I can't see it? That's what we were looking for weren't we. :D :D :D :D That looks really good JT. You do nice work!
Quarlow, Thanks
I think there is a squirrel in there somewhere... you gotta squint your eye a bit to see it ;D
JT
Here it is on the stuffer
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/DoubleStuff05.jpg)
JT
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 17, 2010, 07:41:08 AM
Here it is on the stuffer
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/DoubleStuff05.jpg)
JT
Ok now your just teasen me. ;D
Looks GREAT.
We are going to test it out Monday... Stay tuned for a pneumatic double stuffing party.
JT
That's cool..
You gonna put those on the market?
Got one sold all ready ;D to the inventor.
JT
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 17, 2010, 08:52:49 AM
Got one sold all ready ;D to the inventor.
JT
Cant wait to get that baby in my hands, kinda feel like a kid at Christmas. ;D
Quote from: BigJohnT on February 17, 2010, 06:36:58 AM
Quarlow, Thanks
I think there is a squirrel in there somewhere... you gotta squint your eye a bit to see it ;D
JT
The funny thing is, as I read that I started to squint to see the squirrel. :D :D :D :D
QuoteAnyone have a Cabela's motorized stuffer and has a picture of the spline. I've asked before but can't find it LOL.
Thanks
John
Guys/Gals, in case any of you are still looking... I found this on eBay this morning. Would be very tempted myself, except for the voltage issues and shipping to the UK!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MIB-Cabelas-Commercial-Grade-Sausage-Stuffer-Motor-NR_W0QQitemZ250585592189QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSmall_Kitchen_Appliances_US?hash=item3a5810b17d (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MIB-Cabelas-Commercial-Grade-Sausage-Stuffer-Motor-NR_W0QQitemZ250585592189QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSmall_Kitchen_Appliances_US?hash=item3a5810b17d)
Besides... I really should cut my teeth doing it the hand-cranked way for a while. Would hardly be right to jump into the game with all the fancy toys would it :D
Sorry... just read the rest of this thread and realised how far it had diverged from the original question! Whatever, hope someone might find that eBay link useful anyway.