Over the past year or so I have heard many complaints about the advance motors sripping a gear on the smoke generator. I now have three units out of comission because of this. Brabley won't sell parts so they are about worthless as far as help. I'm not going to keep buying complete generators from them. Does anyone know of a cross over motor that will work. Some folks say a turn table motor out of a microwave will work but didn't know what model. Help! Bradley already makes a small fortune off the waffers as it is.
If you have a gear in one of your units that is intact, I know someone that is looking for one. Would you be willing to part with one? Keep us posted on your quest for a motor.
Thanks,
Bill
<i>There is room on earth for all God's creatures....on my plate next to the mashed potatoes.</i>
Do u happen to have an image and maybe demensions on the motor that broke?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/todayschildhere/61259.jpg)
Why are they failing and why isn't Bradley replacing them?
The thread title is "TYJ50". Is this the model in the BS? If so, I think you can get them here:
http://www.nowcomponents.com/item1/page.cfm/3362
I just had the generator apart - I should have looked for model # on the motor [:I]
Tom in Qualicum Beach
Hi iceman,
There are quite a few threads on this subject on the forum, I was lucky enough to trace and get hold of a spare in the UK but to the best of my knowledge no one had managed to do so in the US to date, despite the fact that some people have tried quite extensively..
There appear to be subtle differences between a lot of motors that appear the same, for example the timing (rpm), fittings, wattage and size (depth) varies so if you get hold of one out of a microwave it needs checking carefully.
I think the company that manufactures the motors was quoted as saying they only sold them direct in batches of 1000!
A search on the forum might clarify this further but as far as I am aware that is the current situation. [:(]
Sorry I could'nt give more positive news!
Manxman.
Hi iceman,
also see;
http://www.bradleysmoker.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1454
Manxman.
What's left of the nylon gears is not worth sending to you. Sorry I couldn't help out. I'll keep looking for you. Have a great weekend. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by nsxbill</i>
<br />If you have a gear in one of your units that is intact, I know someone that is looking for one. Would you be willing to part with one? Keep us posted on your quest for a motor.
Thanks,
Bill
<i>There is room on earth for all God's creatures....on my plate next to the mashed potatoes.</i>
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Guys I have gotten tired of this... this is my last E-mail to Bradley:
<b>Mr. Bradley,
First I do hope all is good for your family.
Next, the problem with these generators has become old-hat. I have no idea what your business plan is but it sure seem <b>not</b> to include current customers. The generator fails just to often and yet there is no replacement parts... Why not?
We asked you for a recipe area, we asked you for a direct link to a our recipe site after it became clear that you would not put up a recipe site--that I might add I'm paying for out of my own monies... what was the reply from you... nadda--nothing... Have you been to the other companies sites? The owners are involved... they help fix problems... on the other hand every time we ask something the only thing we get is the back side of you.
I know you won't take the time to look at this thread but here is the addy: This E-mail is part of that thread.
http://www.bradleysmoker.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2553
You got something good in this unit, but your business practices remind me of Apple computer in the 80's...they owned the world and let someone else take it away... Just ask Job... he is now paying Micro dude for his own iPod..
Last weekend I had to go to a family member's home to fixed a Bradley that had only been used 4 times... both the stat and element were bad....
If this sounds like a rag on you it is not ... it is a fact of what is happening today... we as members are tired of you not being here and helping us out.</b>
Raye Minor
AKA: Olds.
If we don't hear back from him then when the next generator of mine dies I'm moving on...
Olds
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You go Olds[:D]!!! The main reason I bought my BS was the smoke generator and it's killing me that they may have a design lemon on their hands and are doing nothing in the way of customer support.
Cheers-Tom-
Keep us posted on what Wade says, Olds . . .
Chez, do you have insights into this issue? If you don't have the parts, no one does. I'm assuming that Wade has to buy his parts in units of 1000+ as Manx indicates, so is there some way he could take a small portion of his order and either sell them direct or through you as replacement parts? Seems like a relatively simple fix, but as you know, I'm no businessman . . .
John
Newton MA
Good on you Olds, it would be nice if you did get a reply, even more so a positive result but I very much suspect you won't![:(]
A look at the US Bradley Home page does not give the impression of someone who is particulaly bothered, the 2004 product catalogue is still being advertised along with 2003 Newsletter and 2004 "new" products. Seem to be living in the past, not looking to the future.
The UK site looks a bit more up to date but even that was advertising a Summer 2005 newsletter a while ago which appears to have come to nothing.
Perhaps with 30000+ (it is probably 40000+ by now) units sold Mr Bradley simply does not have to make the effort anymore?
Yes, the warranty is good but I am sure that will be covered by the manufacturer in China, it will not cost Bradley direct.
For every person who buys a new generator when the old one fails, how many people are there who leave their BS gathering dust in a corner and or go and buy a different one. The silly thing is that this will hit Mr Bradlay in the pocket as they won't be buying the pucks!
Business must be good if he can be that unconcerned about the long term satisfaction of his customers...........
Manxman.
Aloha Olds
I can see your frustration...Did you get a reponse from the Bradley people? The main reason for me buying the Bradley was for the smoking generator..
Kamano
Onipaa/Ku'oko'a
Steadfast Freedom
No response from Bradley. Gee, why doesn't that suprise me? Anyhow I ordered a motor from Grainger in hopes that I can convert it. They will take it back if it doesn't work. I'll keep everyone posted. I wish I was over in the warm weather with you. It's snowing like crazy over here in Alaska right now.. Have a great day.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kamanodental</i>
<br />Aloha Olds
I can see your frustration...Did you get a reponse from the Bradley people? The main reason for me buying the Bradley was for the smoking generator..
Kamano
Onipaa/Ku'oko'a
Steadfast Freedom
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Would the words "Class Action" help encourage Bradley to respond to what has been a very loyal and supportive customer base?
Hi All,
I'm hardly an apologist for Mr. Bradley (whom I've never met), nor do I countenance people who don't take reponsibility for their actions or mistakes. I am in complete agreement with the need for Bradley to produce a reliable smoke generator--it is indeed the key innovation in their smoker. And I too would like to see Mr. Bradley more directly supporting the Forum, since we are at the same time his best promoters and could be his worst enemies!
That being said, I don't want us to lose our perspective by focusing on one problem. It looks from the dates on posts that Olds' email was sent on Thursday or Friday (his post with the e-mail was from Fri 11/18). Let's realize he might be away on business, on vacation, etc. He may not look at the Forum every day or two like many of us. Perhaps he is working on solving this problem and will communicate this to us.
Let's give him a fair chance to respond before throwing him under the bus.
If he's not, of course, I'll be happy to be the bus driver . . .
John
Newton MA
Good Day All,
This thread has made me rethink my purchase of the BS. I will follow this and if Bradley agrees to fix the problem then I will again revisit the idea of owning one. It's too bad, I thought that I had found the perfect food prep product. [:(]
Has anyone looked in the Granger Catalogue for a replacement motor?
Grainger had one that was close but they couldn't quite get it right. I could probably make it work but the average person would never be able to do it. I want to come up with a fix for everyone. If Bradley doesn't step up to the plate I'm going to make one with off the shelf items and give the plans to anyone who wants them. I've figured out a way to use a saw dust hopper so you wouldn't even need to buy the waffers from them. I would definately wait for now to see what they come up with if anything. The one year warrenty was a good idea but all three of mine broke shortly after that. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ValFitzAndrew</i>
<br />Good Day All,
This thread has made me rethink my purchase of the BS. I will follow this and if Bradley agrees to fix the problem then I will again revisit the idea of owning one. It's too bad, I thought that I had found the perfect food prep product. [:(]
Has anyone looked in the Granger Catalogue for a replacement motor?
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I have posted this before on this topic. This is the closest I have seen to date: http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005112318450740&item=5-1564-A&catname=electric
and here is another:
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005112318450740&item=5-1564&catname=electric
What I don't know is what type of shaft the BS motor has, and how it is coupled or connected to the puck drive mechanism.
Arcs_n_Sparks
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by JJC</i>
<br />he might be away on business, on vacation, etc.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Or in China, perfecting the next, newest thing.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by JJC</i>
<br />He may not look at the Forum every day or two like many of us. Perhaps he is working on solving this problem and will communicate this to us.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Don't hold your breath.[;)]
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by JJC</i>
<br /> Let's give him a fair chance to respond before throwing him under the bus.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Wade doesn't participate on the forum, he won't and that's all. I won't condone his decision, but will agree with his position.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If he's not, of course, I'll be happy to be the bus driver . . .<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Sorry John, that seat's already taken![;)][:D]
Kirk
http://www.chezbubba.com
Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
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What I don't know is what type of shaft the BS motor has, and how it is coupled or connected to the puck drive mechanism.
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It is very easy to open the generator by removing the 8 screws around the edge of the bottom. The generator then splits in two, although there are wires still connecting the two. Then you can easily see how the motor is connected to the puck feeder.
It would be tempting to order one of the two motors in the url, just to see if they could be subsituted for the original. In the generator, the connection between the motor and the puck feeder is not very sophisticated and should be reasonably easy to duplicate or modify to suit a slightly different drive motor geometry. Mine's not broken, yet, but when it does and if it is off warrantee, I'd certainly give it a try.
Tom in Qualicum Beach
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Way to go. I talked to a tech rep and the motor specs out identical to the one Bradley uses. I have five coming just to take care of my friends. I'm also working with Burden sales on other replacement parts for the Bradley generator such as the momentary switches and cherry switches. I don't know whats in the control box but thats next. Thank you so much for the research you have done for all us smoke heads. Have a great turkey day. Regards; Patrick.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by arcs_n_sparks</i>
<br />I have posted this before on this topic. This is the closest I have seen to date: http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005112318450740&item=5-1564-A&catname=electric
and here is another:
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005112318450740&item=5-1564&catname=electric
What I don't know is what type of shaft the BS motor has, and how it is coupled or connected to the puck drive mechanism.
Arcs_n_Sparks
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Iceman, which of the two motors did you buy?
Thanks-Tom-
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Wade doesn't participate on the forum, he won't and that's all. I won't condone his decision, but will agree with his position.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Maybe he does'nt participate on the forum and I can understand that, the forum should be free from any actual or perceived company influence.
However, he appears to have been a member of the forum for a few months now, any forum member can do a search of other member profiles assuming this WB is one and the same??
Presumably therefore he does view the forum from time to time which is a good thing and something I would do in his position?
He does not have to actively participate, it would be enough if he just monitored customer (dis)satisfaction and acted on those issues causing regular and significant customer disquiet of which the smoke generator drive motor seems to be uppermost.
And if one dealer is reporting 1 in 3 smoke generator units being faulty that is a significant failure rate!
So if Wade Bradley actually gets to read this...... come on Mr Bradley, you have a whole host of very local supporters on this forum, not least Oldman at the top of the list.
It's payback time.................
Manxman.
I bought item # 5-1564-A Model FYJ50-8 from Burden Sales.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TomG</i>
<br />Iceman, which of the two motors did you buy?
Thanks-Tom-
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Iceman
do you have a url or a link to Burden Sales.?
Kamano
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<br />I bought item # 5-1564-A Model FYJ50-8 from Burden Sales.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TomG</i>
<br />Iceman, which of the two motors did you buy?
Thanks-Tom-
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Onipaa/Ku'oko'a
Steadfast Freedom
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<br />Iceman
do you have a url or a link to Burden Sales.?
Kamano
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<br />I bought item # 5-1564-A Model FYJ50-8 from Burden Sales.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TomG</i>
<br />Iceman, which of the two motors did you buy?
Thanks-Tom-
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Onipaa/Ku'oko'a
Steadfast Freedom
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I have had my Bradley for over a year and have never had problems except when I took it apart and cleaned it. I got some moisture in the microswitch and it would not stop cycling. Once I dried, it ran well.
I took some pictures of the Bradley motor and the pivot arm that hits the microswitch, so that it is easier for people who have not taken theirs apart to visualize it.
My motor is 6rpm and 4 watts.The Item# 5-1564-A motor from Burden Sale will work. It has the same rpm, watts and shaft diameter with a flat spot. A larger screw might have to be used to hold the pivot arm in place.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/motorS.png)click to enlarge (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/motorL.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/switchS.png)click to enlarge (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/switchL.png)
I hope this helps, Brad
Nice pics car54. Thanks for the input. The motors I ordered are on the way and I will take pictures on the repair steps. Can you tell a dumb s___ like me how to get pictures on a post so I can share them with everyone? In kitchen talk please. Thanks all.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by car54</i>
<br />I have had my Bradley for over a year and have never had problems except when I took it apart and cleaned it. I got some moisture in the microswitch and it would not stop cycling. Once I dried, it ran well.
I took some pictures of the Bradley motor and the pivot arm that hits the microswitch, so that it is easier for people who have not taken theirs apart to visualize it.
My motor is 6rpm and 4 watts.The Item# 5-1564-A motor from Burden Sale will work. It has the same rpm, watts and shaft diameter with a flat spot. A larger screw might have to be used to hold the pivot arm in place.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/motorS.png)click to enlarge (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/motorL.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/switchS.png)click to enlarge (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/car54/switchL.png)
I hope this helps, Brad
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Because of the low price of the units I ordered 2. I don't expect any problems but who knows. When I recieve and install them I will report back.
Brad
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><font size="2">Can you tell a dumb s___ like me how to get pictures on a post so I can share them with everyone? In kitchen talk please.</font id="size2"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Your pictures have to be hosted. If you don't have a place then E-mail them to me and I will host them for you.
<b><font color="blue">Olds' E-mail</font id="blue"></b> (//
[email protected])
Olds
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Thanks Oldman. I'll get them to you when the repairs are complete.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Oldman</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><font size="2">Can you tell a dumb s___ like me how to get pictures on a post so I can share them with everyone? In kitchen talk please.</font id="size2"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Your pictures have to be hosted. If you don't have a place then E-mail them to me and I will host them for you.
<b><font color="blue">Olds' E-mail</font id="blue"></b> (//
[email protected])
Olds
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For pics for this and other sites, you can use services like PictureTrail which I use for RV stuff and will expand for Smoking stuff.
such as the below which is of my RV.
(http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL372/1901264/4324593/53956392.jpg)
And the album setup to host is like
This is my RV Album (http://www.picturetrail.com/uid1901264)
Which has lots of stuff that I personalize. The cost is not bad and lots of other like it.
there is some editing to chaneg the '<' to '[' but that's it
The Medina's in Maryland's Eastern Shore
Iceman, thanks for the Burden Sales headsup. I ordered two of the motors and a 120v 850W immersion heating element( http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005112621311221&item=11-1771-AH&catname=electric)for a grand total of $17.50 including S&H. Is there any reason the immersion(used for hot waterheaters)element wouldn't work as a kicked up heat source for the BS?
-Tom-
TomG
The element may work for a while. It is supposed to be immersed in a liquid to prevent it from over heating and burning out.
Brad
Hi Tom. Car 54 is right on the money about the element burning out. You need a regular oven type element. I have all mine custom made from RSD supply. Most HVAC outfits can order resturaunt supply replacement parts so I would try them first in your area. If you don't have any luck let me know and I'll get you to the nearest supplier I can find. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TomG</i>
<br />Iceman, thanks for the Burden Sales headsup. I ordered two of the motors and a 120v 850W immersion heating element( http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2005112621311221&item=11-1771-AH&catname=electric)for a grand total of $17.50 including S&H. Is there any reason the immersion(used for hot waterheaters)element wouldn't work as a kicked up heat source for the BS?
-Tom-
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ok here is what I have coming from <u>www.partstore.com </u> I found it crossed to a daewoo # 3966821000
which is the part # you need to search it will NOT find it in the search using TYJ50-8 . I have one ordered the price is higher 15.45 including freight but it is the exact replacement number . unfortunatly they e-mailed me and stated they are currently out of stock but expect them in soon
If ya go home hungry.........You were at the WRONG HOUSE !
HG I just replaced a motor and advance switch for a friend of mine. The sync. motor from Burden sales is plug and play and less than 3 bucks. Total repair took less than 20 minutes (including the cocktail and BS my buddy was dishing out). It's a simple fix folks. I'm going to put together a step by step instruction / picture page and get with Olds to see if he will post it for everyone. Give me a little time. Thanks guys.
Big or small you can smoke'm all!!!
iceman,
I just replied to your E-mail. Given this is going to be important to most members how about sending to me the pictures and I will host them rather than photobucket or some other free site.
Send them unedited and in full origninl size. If you can shoot your pictures in Large JPG do so. I have unlimited storage in my E-mail box. What we will do is set up a closed posting on the recipe site. I will do the image editing and create the clickable images. I will grant you moderator level for that thread. You can then go in and edit the posting to add your directions.
Once completed I will then move that information over to this site. Plus I will then open up the closed thread on the recipe site. I'm sure Chez will sticky the copy here at the top of the forum.
Olds
(http://www.susanminor.org/Rayeimages/gif/Launch47.gif)
Yer the best Olds!!! I'll get working on it this week.
Big or small you can smoke'm all!!!