Hey guys
Considering buying a Bradley smoker. I'm new tho the game but have had a fe3w positive smoking experiences on by gas grill.. Here is a couple pics of a beer in the ass chicken I did a few weeks back..
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So the reason I'm looking a t the bradely is the whole set it and forget it aspect of electric. But the research I've done as of late seems to indicate the bradley is not all that consistant with temp regulation. Moreso for hot smoking or on cold days...
I guess what I'm asking is, if yo had to do it again, would you go with the bradley? Any tips or suggestions to help a newb out?
damien2003gt,
I would absolutely go with the Bradley again (of course, I made my own PID controller).
However, even prior to that, I found the Bradley easy to use. Once you get the temperature settled, it is pretty stable. I was very happy with it out of the box, and like the hands-off approach to smoking.
You've got some funny antenna at that bird prior to launch[8D]. The end products looks great!
Arcs_n_Sparks
I am not sure about the new Bradley Digital products (no review as of yet) but the original systems are not "set it and forget it" out of the box. A good number of us on this board have modified the setup with a PID or simple Temp Switch to acheive something as close as possible to "set it and forget it" goals.
its not completely a "forget it" result. there are optimization to make it better depending on what your cooking.
i did a chicken roaster this last weekend about the size you beer canned. And i did set and forget for 4 hours. I took it out at temp and FTC for three hours. then pulled (still very hot) and shredded. Tasted great and intensly moist. And all I did was pull the roaster from the bag and into the smoker, period no rubs, injects, beer, baste NADA!
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Absolutely.
No more timing timing your whole cooking routine to facilitate running out to the smoker and stoking wood every 30 minutes at some reasonable time of night. Or staying up till 4AM and hoping a shower wakes you up for the work day ahead.
Best lazy-que I've seen for temp control - right out of the box. I PID'd mine too and that makes it better. But it's not too shabby to begin with.
I've tried a bunch of set-it-and-forget things and I've not stayed happy with any of them. Best I ever had for lazyiness was an electric Brinkman water smoker and something called a smoke pistol. But the pistol gizmo was unreliable; and the Brinkman was a small, cheap, flimsy, filthy thing.
I'd love to have an Egg or one of the Traeger's(sp?) but that's like comparing apples to Ferraris.
The things that concern me:
- Wind. Being picky again. After having owned one, and examined its construction, you'd think it was pretty darned windproof. Wind does effect it, but I'd say less so than anything in its price range. Currently, the wind here is 35mph, gusting to 52!
- Replacement Parts. I've read a few posts here that imply parts are difficult to obtain after warranty expires. I just had a warranty part shipped and service was incredible. But I do wonder if I'll have problems 3 or 4 years down the road. It does sound like this is improving though.
- Proprietary wood supply. The "smoke pucks" aren't expensive and there available at numerous sources, but it sucks to know only one vendor is making them. I hope that would change if there was enough demand for a different one.
Many on this board have found it rather easy to set the temperature. As for myself, without a temperature control device, I was adjusting the temperature at least once an hour, but that only required a walk to the porch to adjust a slider. Which is a simple task, but I am rather lazy, so I am constantly looking for a better way to do something. With my old charcoal smoker, I would constantly be either adjusting the draft, replenishing fuel and water. Even without the temperature control device, you will not find an easier smoker to operate.
If I were you I would wait for the newer digital models that will be released, which is expected sometime in May. They are supposed to control the temperature, the length of smoke, and I believe the cooking time. There is even a larger model with six selves.
If you can't wait and do not want to modify your smoker with a PID you can purchase a Raptor/Guru which is a temperature control device that make the Bradley almost set and forget it, but the cost is around $260.00 http://secure.thebbqguru.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=26&idproduct=166 . The Guru can also be used in charcoal smokers, if you purchase a draft controller that is made for that specific charcoal smoker.
I live in illinois and the weather here has been in the 30 and lower .I have no problem with the temps staying steady at all .Maybe a slight adjustment once in a while but nothing crazy.The temps are no problem and i am sure with the new bs commimg out its going to be even easier then ever.If considering buy a new model see chez bubba sight to PREORDER A NEW BS 6 RACK...as his service is great fast and prompt.[:D][;)]
I did a lot of searching and spent hours on forums like these before I made my purchase. I was looking for a unit that would not require me to babysit and the bradley has worked out perfect. I will be adding a PID to my unit with the help of TomG since I do find myself having to check the temp. and adjust the slide every so often.
I live in an area that gets lots of wind. There aren't many days that I don't have some type of breeze and you will just need to plan on adding some cook time. There hasn't been a weekend since I got my Bradley that I haven't used it. I will be making my second attempt at ribs this weekend. The first attempt ended up as baby back jerky..lol
Good luck in your search. I am glad mine ended with the purchase of a Bradley.
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I really think one vendor on this sight is more then enough.And since he has been here along time not only selling this product but putting his input into this sight i feel with the extra discounts from him makes him the right guy to go to.Chez bubba is the man here So can we please leave this ebay sales sight off all topics here.Kirk is always there when ya need him just call him up.Try calling ebay and get the answers ya need.Begolf25 one main vendor here is enough and he has done an outstanding job so take your ebay sales stuff on the road.This is just my opinion and i think theres much more value to buy from some who is well verst in this fourm and has a reputation of being there when needed.PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS JUST MY OPINION....[;)]I think that a new guy such as begolf25 should look around here and see who is doing what and how and then ask permission to move in on somthing that was started long long before he came here.Once again just my opinion i am not trying to get into anyone face here but i just dont like what i see.[}:)][;)]
Damian,
I've made many smokers over the years and always end up coming back to the Bradley. I personally don't use the original cabinet but I do use the Bradley smoke generator on all of my smokers. There have been ups and downs with temperature control on the Bradley's but these are easily overcome with a little ingenuity (and help from all the folks on this forum). Long story short is I feel the Bradley is the route to go for most people. Nothing is ever going to get closer to a set and forget unit than the Bradley is in this price range. It does require a bit of attention but it's way ahead of other smokers in its class. It will probably turn out to be the best money you've ever spent when it comes to a cooking appliance. Don't let the size fool you. They are capible of smoking a decent amount of food at one time. BTW they make one heck of a beer can chicken![:p] Whatever you decide good luck, happy smoking, and keep us posted.[8D]
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That chicken does look good besides the beer can deal what other steps did ya take to have it s color so nice .Did you rub it down with oil spices etc.what was the temp as it was cooking and how long and how many pounds was it.Please share the info .I never did one like that but this weekend when i am doing the ribs this will be on the grill.[:)]
Icerat,
FYI, I did not just decide to add my link to this site. I asked a administartor before doing so because I know what Chez has done for this site. I was given permission and more then one reason why it was thought to be a good idea. I have no problem removing this from my signature and I am not trying to steal sales from Chez. I realize that people that have been on this forum for a long time will remain loyal customers to Chez but if you think there is a problem having a choice between to reliable dealers then as you stated is your opinion. I don't think you have the right to accuse me of being unreliable just because I am currently on eBay. I think my 544, 100% feedback speaks for itself.
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Ok .If you feel you need to this to someone who has provin them selfs here as a great person to deal with so be it.I just feel your infringing on somesone territory that has been well establish.If and when i do my purchasing of any thing i will check this ebay just too see whats out there and compare prices.If the future bs buyers go that route then i say there yours but comming here even with the adim blessing is still a little crappie .Why because you know your takin away from someone who has once again establish them selfs here.Do what ya want but outa of respect here id be leavin the ebay sales pitch at the door here.I am not here to get in an up and back with you and ya seem like a nice enough guy but put the food on your table a different way and then have a nice day.Please dont have any hard feelings here on MY OPINION .Thanks for the time to share my thought here.Best of luck to ya and happy smoking.[:D][:D][:)]
I am on this forum because of all the great information here. This forum is the reason I decided to purchase a Bradley of my own and also helped me decide to carry it in my eBay store and my soon to be up and running web site. I also carry many other items besides the Bradley that could be very useful to everyone on this site. My website will have 10 time the backyard and BBQ items my eBay store does and I am sure many posters on here would have enjoyed seeing some of these items. I am not going to make a living by having the link to my store on this forum my only intention was to pass on some savings to all the people that have helped me in the past and the present.
Chez, sorry if I stepped on your toes there was no intent to steal any sales or customers away from you. I have even purchased items from you in the past..lol
Icerat, no hard feelings I just didn't like it when you decided to tag me as a eBay scam artist without even knowing me. Next time just ask instead of throwing around opinion.
Back to smokin fellas!!
Bryan
I have purchased a couple of bits off Chez, I live across the pond in Britain and Chez went to so much trouble to send me some bubba pucks and even purchased a Maverick ET-73 from a third party and sent it to me.... no money in it for him but that's the sort of person he is. I would thoroughly recommend him to anyone and my BS displays the Chez Bubba "fridge" magnet with pride![}:)]
However in my view begolf25 is quite free to advertise his business here on the forum, quite a few members have something to sell and as has been discussed before, as long as everyone is up front about it and it does not dominate their posts it is not an issue. It's a free world and people are free to chose who they buy from.
It is the people who have come on the forum with an alterior motive who have had short shift and have soon disappeared, begolf25 was up front from the beginning and does not fit in this category.
At the end of the day we are all in the BS "family", I have owned a couple of smoker previously and for the money, the BS cannot be beaten in my view.
Manxman.
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<br />I have purchased a couple of bits off Chez, I live across the pond in Britain and Chez went to so much trouble to send me some bubba pucks and even purchased a Maverick ET-73 from a third party and sent it to me.... no money in it for him but that's the sort of person he is. I would thoroughly recommend him to anyone and my BS displays the Chez Bubba "fridge" magnet with pride![}:)]
However in my view begolf25 is quite free to advertise his business here on the forum, quite a few members have something to sell and as has been discussed before, as long as everyone is up front about it and it does not dominate their posts it is not an issue. It's a free world and people are free to chose who they buy from.
It is the people who have come on the forum with an alterior motive who have had short shift and have soon disappeared, begolf25 was up front from the beginning and does not fit in this category.
At the end of the day we are all in the BS "family", I have owned a couple of smoker previously and for the money, the BS cannot be beaten in my view.
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Well said, Manxman.
Bubbagump
Icerat4;
You speak as if Chez and the site administrator are two different people. They are one in the same. So if Chez does not mind I see no reason for begolf to remove his link from this site; this is a public forum.
I purchased my BS from Chez in August, 2004; and will continue to make purchases from him.
GUYS it was just my opinion and thats it no need for the replys.I didnt mean to have it sound like your a ebay scamer either so sorry if was taken that way.Once again i wasnt trying to do anything here wrong i understand all points of view here believe me.I will not give anymore opinion here in this fourm i see what it does.Now i know how olds feels with a reply that really didnt mean much .SORRY GUYS ill keep my opinions to my self here and just stick to the SMOKIN PART.Once again keep smokin[:D]
Tell you what icerat4, I am looking forward to your review of the new 6 rack digital model as will a lot of people methinks![;)]
Manxman.
Seeing that they are coming out with a digital model makes me wish I held out a little longer. Who am I kidding, I woouldn't give back this last month of owning a Bradley if you paid me. I am also looking forward to building my PID. I am sure down the road I will end up with a digital model so I can't wait to here how they are working out.
I am sure all will be ok with this new 6 rack. I say this because even if there are issues with it. From what i have seen around here there customer service is outstanding.So no worries.Although the best set up ive seen here so far and would love to get would be the set up the iceman has now thats a smoker[:D].Did you guys see his set up WOW.Chez will open the frist one he gets. The next one comes home to the RAT.I will give a full review as i am sure chez will too.I have to say this bs i have now is no problem with temp control and walking out to my shed to check every once in a while is no biggie and everything except the corn beef brisket i made has come out great.So like i said im like a kid waiting to go to disney waiting for my new toy LOL.Si ya guys around here later.[8D]
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Yeah, I agree. I just have the Maverick remote with me when I am in the house or garden and occasionally go check the BS itself. I rarely have a problem and whilst more control would be nice, I certainly do not see it as essential. Sure others may see it differently.
Once you have used the BS a few times you get to have a feel for the way it will behave, on more than one occasion I have gone out for a few hours without any mishaps.
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Next time around though I will be getting the digital model![}:)]
Manxman.
Yea this low and slow routine is just up my ally.Just like me low and slow.[:p]And what you said is very correct once ya get a handle on what to expect as far as temps its a breeze to time stuff on with no worries.I am buying the new one because i have money to burn and its my turn for a new toy at my house.LOL[:D]But i think 2 bs will be it for me.[;)]If by chance iceman would built me his set up im in on that also.OK that would be it.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by manxman</i>
<br />I have purchased a couple of bits off Chez, I live across the pond in Britain and Chez went to so much trouble to send me some bubba pucks and even purchased a Maverick ET-73 from a third party and sent it to me.... no money in it for him but that's the sort of person he is. I would thoroughly recommend him to anyone and my BS displays the Chez Bubba "fridge" magnet with pride![}:)]
However in my view begolf25 is quite free to advertise his business here on the forum, quite a few members have something to sell and as has been discussed before, as long as everyone is up front about it and it does not dominate their posts it is not an issue. It's a free world and people are free to chose who they buy from.
It is the people who have come on the forum with an alterior motive who have had short shift and have soon disappeared, begolf25 was up front from the beginning and does not fit in this category.
At the end of the day we are all in the BS "family", I have owned a couple of smoker previously and for the money, the BS cannot be beaten in my view.
Manxman.
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Sorry all, I was not going to return to these forums but after receiving an E-mail concerning this thread I feel I must address this issue as I'm part of this matrix.
begolf25 asked me not Chez concerning this issue. I'm admin on the recipe site not here. (I believe he is confused.) He explained how he is currently is doing business on eBay and his plans for the future.
After checking his rating on eBay I got back with him and explained the following as my take on this type of situation.
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1. That any member of good standing who has a business related or not related to smokin' has as much right as anyone else to make that known.
2. And as such, once he has established himself in this area and has a following such as Chez does then I would add him to the Approved Vendors List. We all know to get on that list a vendor must be brought to the table by more than one member.
3. That once he has an established web site the more places he post his addy the better for ranking with the search engines.</ul>
If someone does not think posting your website addy is not important then copy the following into a Google window: <b>Commercial Carpet Cleaning Tampa bay</b> and see who has the #1 rank on the 1st page. [:D]
Type this in Google: <b>Commercial Carpet Cleaning Tampabay </b>and see who has the #2 ranking on the first page.[:D]
Getting my address out on forums along with a few other "tricks" is how I got those rankings.
Unlike the trouble makers of last year, Bryan was very up front with me, and he was concerned that what has happened on this thread would happen.
Will I do business with Bryan? No. I'm a follower of Chez. I do business with Chez,
However, being a follower of Chez certainly does not give me the right to tell an honest Bradley Dealer that he cannot make it known that he is a Bradley Dealer on the Bradley supplied forums. Business does not work that way.
Will Bryan make it here in the same vein as Chez? I doubt it. However, as long as he is an up-standing dealer he has the right to try.
Olds
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I had a Canadian Tire water tower smoker for three years. You know the one, a black version of R2D2. I enjoyed the results but could only use it on sunny, windless days. I picked up my BS at a fire sale. Went there to pick up a goose call, and notices a smoke damaged BS box. The price was right and I figured a smoker should be bale to handle some smoke!
I have just sold the old unit as I can not see me going back to R2D2 now that I have BS. I had the BS smoking away on mt back deck when it was around -15-20 celcius and windy. The BS doesn't seem to care, although I only had two racks of ribs in it.
I like how you can use it year round, is clean and easy to use. I have a Maverick ET-72 and will be picking up an ET-73 soon, so temperature chcking is a cinch.
My buddy is looking at the new units, a six racker when it comes out..... its killing me.
Overall, I happened on the BS by accident, bought it on a whim, and it has quickly enterd the inner circle of prized possesions.
Stu,
I just purchased a Maverick 73 last week and used it for the first time while doing a rack of baby backs this weekend. I am really glad I purchased it now because I was getting a 10 degree temp. difference between the Maverick and my door thermometer. I can't wait to see how much of a varience I get between my Maverick, door thermometer and PID once I get it built.
Temps have never been a problem with me .But i will be getting a 6 rack bs.I have used the internal temp which is all i really need.I usally do a taste test and check the foods inside to see if where it needs to be thats it.No other tools required.LOL[:D]
I called the Maverick distributor for Canada and he told me that the first shipment of ET-73's are due in a couple of weeks. I plan on buying one of the first ones. They should be sold at Home Hardware, that is what I am told.
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Rat - Just curious, what are you using to monitor your box temp.
Bubbagump
Guys,
I hate to re-derail the thread now that it seems to have gotten somewhat back on track, but feel my input is necessary. There's no huge internet conspiracy going on here.
I think Olds is on the right track & I think his post is spot-on. begolf25 never contacted me about this issue. He's not required to.
Whether he was confused about whom he spoke with or if he got blessing from someone at Bradley doesn't really matter. If Bradley told him OK, hey, it is <b><u>their</u></b> website! I am <b><u>an</u></b> administrator, not <b><u>the</u></b> administrator.
I participate here because of the comraderie, not to sell smokers. From begolf's posts, I suspect he is here for the same reason. I see nothing wrong with subtly noting that you sell a product (ie sig line) if your posts are about smoking & adding to the community. If half your posts are begging people to purchase from you, I feel that's detracting from the forum's purpose. That's the rule I try & stick to & the rules don't change just because I have "the power".
If begolf takes sales away from me by doing something better, good for him! It will only challenge me to do a better job.
Kirk
http://www.chezbubba.com
Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
Thanks boys.. I think I'll be going bradley.. What's the digi-model gonna retail for???????
Dead issue .Its done over smoked.And yes some things do get over smoked we all been there done that so i say move on .Let the chips fall where they may .Chez u da man. until one of my orders gets messed up.lol[8D]Just kiddin you are the man in this area.I do feel begolf25 did misrepresent himself by saying a admid did approve his sales when it wasnt you speaking that.A little over SIGHT.JUST ONE MORE TIME IF YA NEED A GREAT SMOKER AND GREAT SERVICE CALL CHEZBUBBA AND HIS VERY NICE WIFE ANNE.[:D][;)]Thanks alot for the 10 lines o yea thats 9.the second box is mine. 6 rack temp control bs man life is good.LOL.[:D]
Chez, You are right on this as was Olds. the content of the post is what defines the comradere and intent to share experience and learn and provide knowledge. I for one stand on the sidelines and watch and contribute where I can. This content is what drives most all of us and as it should. the Bradley did this to all of us, it brought all of us from such a wide culture and geographic seperability into a common domain of focus, cooking some amazing experiments.
damien2003gt, welcome to the insane community of overacheiving simple and complex knowledge sharing group of people. Remember, the one thing we are truly after is "good eats"
Welcome, Begolf25! Please don't be a stranger . . . I think the way this whole issue was handled is a good example of the respect we have for each other and the desire of all of us to keep the Forum focused on the right things.
John
Newton MA
I 3rd the last 2 post .Very well said WELCOME.GUESS im not the rookie now.[:)]
To follow up, I got an email from begolf. I was right, he's our type of guy. I look forward to his future input here.
Kirk
http://www.chezbubba.com
Ya think next time I check into a hotel & they ask "Smoking or Non?" they would mind?
Wish I had picked up on this thread last Thursday, hate to be a whitetail-come-lately.
I'm sure glad the laudry has been aired and we are back on track, I was appalled by what I read on page one. I hope begolf feels comfortable around here. I'm certain that the e-mails to Chez and Olds should make him feel welcome.
Winter better break soon...I feel too much cabin fever build up around here the last couple weeks.
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"Nice Rack"
Lethbridge, AB
Ok one more post and I hope it will be the last..... <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><font size="2">If half your posts are begging people to purchase from you, I feel that's detracting from the forum's purpose. That's the rule I try & stick to & the rules don't change just because I have "the power".
</font id="size2"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> I agree totally here. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><font size="2">If begolf takes sales away from me by doing something better, good for him! It will only challenge me to do a better job.</font id="size2"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Chez no worries M8 (mate!) For all I've seen and heard from begolf I'm sure he will be a stand up vendor. Will he create a following... I believe so. Will he eat any part of your lunch... No I don't think so.
If I may speak for Chez, in my world I help young cleaners as I know there is 50 plus millon square feet of carpeting in my area. I've gotten why past the ego that I was going to clean it all....
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><font size="2"><b>icerat4 said:</b> I do feel begolf25 did misrepresent himself by saying a admid did approve his sales when it wasnt you </font id="size2"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> I sorry but I just don't see it that way. begolf25 did what many... many members have done. Given my past presents here and the recipe site many folks who have written to me think I have admin right here. I believe the term <b>misrepresented</b> is out of line given this nature of this event. As much he was as mistakened about me being admin here as I feel your word misrepresent is.
Just everyone remember that at the end of the day we are all just food smokers under the sun... [:D]
I hope that with this post that this thread will die and I can go back to being just the guy on the recipe site.
Olds
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All is ok with me and everyone else here i guess the air is cleared. Like i said back up this post a little this is and has been a dead issue.All is good in the bradley smoke fourm.Well except for olds making just a peek in and out here lol.Hey thanks again olds hope to have ya join this a little more frequent other then a peek and leave.[:D]
No OLDMAN please get your butt back here we miss you.. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Oldman</i>
<br />Ok one more post and I hope it will be the last.....
QuoteQuoteJust everyone remember that at the end of the day we are all just food smokers under the sun... [:D]
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just what you said above now get you old butt back here.