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Bradley Smokers => The NEW Bradley Original Smoker (BS611) => Topic started by: Meatatarian on December 18, 2014, 02:41:52 PM

Title: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: Meatatarian on December 18, 2014, 02:41:52 PM
I was reading up on how to set the P value in my controller to compensate for the dual 500 watt element mod I did in my 4 rack.  What I found out was you are supposed to change the P value from 70 to 140.  When I check the P value in my controller, it reads 7, not 70.  Is this the number I change to 14 vs 140?

I sent off an email to Auber to confirm but I figured I would check here as well as I would like to get it up and running tonight.

Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: dave01 on December 18, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
it should read 140, the 7 was meant to be 70
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: Meatatarian on December 18, 2014, 03:51:47 PM
Thanks Dave.  I wondered if that maybe there was an error from the factory.  Is it worth running an auto tune as some suggest with the dual element mod or does changing the P value make things right?
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: tskeeter on December 18, 2014, 04:02:14 PM
Not to steal Meatatarian's thread, but does anyone know how the p-value works?  I've run autotune more than twice since I did my dual element mod, with a couple of bricks in the smoker to simulate a load.  I'm getting about 2F +/- my set point.  Not a significant problem.  But I'm wondering if manually changing the p-value would tighten up the range a bit.  And, if so, which direction do I go from the current p-value setting? 
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: dave01 on December 18, 2014, 05:13:19 PM
I tried running the auto tune a couple of times and wasn't really satisfied with the results so I changed everything back to the factory settings and just changed the P value. now it works great
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: TedEbear on December 18, 2014, 05:23:12 PM
For an explanation of what the 'P' value and other parameters in the controller are for, the instruction manual explains it pretty well.

Dual Probe PID Controller Instruction Manual (http://auberins.com/images/Manual/WSD-1200GPH/WSD-1200GPH_v1.0.pdf)

Single Probe PID Controller Instruction Manual (http://auberins.com/images/Manual/WS-1210GPH/WS-1210GPH.pdf)

Also, the factory default 'P' value is 7 according to the manual.
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: Meatatarian on December 18, 2014, 05:49:47 PM
I noticed the P value in the manual is 7 as well when I was going through it again. Now I'm confused. Where does the 70 and 140 settings come into play?  Hopefully I get an answer  from Auber tomorrow.
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: Meatatarian on December 19, 2014, 09:08:19 AM
Here is the response I got from Auber this morning regarding P values:

The definition of P unit is 0.1 for WSD-1204 CPH and 1 degree for WSD-1200GPH. So 70*0.1=7

For your questions running one element at 500 watts vs. running two at 500 watts, the P value should be 7 for one and 14 for two elements.

Best,

Azalea
Auber Instruments
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: ghosttown on December 13, 2015, 06:40:52 PM
I know this is an old thread but do you have to change the p value if I change the smoker to a 900 element instead of two 500?

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Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: TedEbear on December 14, 2015, 04:31:10 AM
Quote from: ghosttown on December 13, 2015, 06:40:52 PM
I know this is an old thread but do you have to change the p value if I change the smoker to a 900 element instead of two 500?

Since a p value of 7 is for 500W and a p value of 14 is for 1000W, I'd say changing it to 13 for 900W would give you a better result.
Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: ghosttown on December 14, 2015, 05:07:37 AM
Okay I had many smokes already with the p value set to 7, it's not until yesterday I notice this thread. What does the p value do anyways?

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Title: Re: Second element mod in BS611 and dual probe Auber PID
Post by: TedEbear on December 14, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: ghosttown on December 14, 2015, 05:07:37 AMWhat does the p value do anyways?

This link explains it all:  Auber PID Controllers (http://www.susanminor.org/forums/showthread.php?672-Auber-Plug-amp-Play-PIDs-Single-Dual-Probes)