I'm using a Rebber sausage stuffer. It's fairly simple to use but it's a bear to try to turn the crank to make snack sticks. It works fine with larger tubes. I'm grinding my meat with a Kitchen Aid grinder attachment. My question is would it be better to upgrade the grinder and using it to stuff snack sticks or upgrading to a better stuffer? (The one I use doesn't have any gears just a straight screw with a six inch handle.) I do about 10 lb batches.
I'll probably make my purchase at Cabela's. I'm thinking about the 1/2 horsepower grinder or their 11lb stuffer. Has any one used either one to stuff snack sticks? Thanks.
It would depend on how often you make a 10 pound batch. I have a 5 quart Kitchen Aid, and I have the grinder attachment, but not the stuffer. I grind at the #5 or #6 speed, and I have the food tray attachment, that helps somewhat. I don't make that much sausage, and usually do 5 to 6 pound batches. It does a good job for that amount. I particularly like it because I can place the whole grinder assembly in a one gallon zip lock bag, and place that in the freezer to cool all the parts at once. Placing it in a zip lock bag prevents any chance of cross contamination. Also because it takes 12 to 18 minutes to grind that amount, to ensure the meat stays cold, I only take half the amount of meat out of the refrigerator at a time.
If you don't make the sausage that frequently, I don't see a need to upgrade your grinder. I would purchase a stuffer, and continue to grind with the Kitchen Aid.
When faced with that situation I opted for a better stuffer. I make sausage usually in 5-6 pound batches as well and my Kenwood grinder is fine for that. I have made up to 15 pound batches and then I grind the meat in portions as HS recommends, keeping the rest chilled. I got a TreSpade stuffer and am really happy with that. It is all stainless steel and I pre-chill it prior to stuffing and everything stays nice and cold.
Tom
I agree, I think a better stuffer is more of an advantage. Now, an 11LB stuffer is a big step. I have a smaller 5LB stuffer that is more than enough for even 25 pounds of summer sausage. The benefit as mentioned above is you put less meat in while stuffing, and keep the rest chilled. I usually measure out what 1 stick requires (2.5LBS) and only put that amount in. That way I can do a better job stuffing, crimping and anything else my kids think my attention deserves while the rest of the meat stays cold in the fridge. Save some $$ and look into the smaller stuffers, they crank just as easy.
Also, it is really hard to use a grinder of that size with the stuffer tubes when you're by yourself, especially with snack sticks! The big sausage websites claim you will need to get a 2 hole stuffing plate for using the tubes (though most just regrind the meat thru a large hole plate during stuffing which always seemed to work for me). When using a large grinder for stuffing, you are always turning it on and off and on and off trying to reposition the casings, take another drink, put more meat into the hopper, take another drink etc. Snack stick size tubes will spit that meat out probably faster than you would like. Its just easier to crank and stop and probably a lot easier on the motor of the ginder. Some of those big boys take a lot of juice to get going. Just my 2 cents!
Get the stuffer now and leave a picture of the grinder on the fridge to remind the spouse (or yourself if single) Christmas is NOT far away!
Have, Patience
Welcome to the forum Sueblazer03
I have the Cabela's 11lb. stuffer and the 1horse grinder. I stuffed 1 yr off of the grinder it's hard to control the feed and steady pressure for stuffing. As patience said it is very difficult to stuff by yourself. On the 11lb stuffer I love it. I have the stuffer motor too. when stuffing small casings it's better to hand crank especially natural casing. the down side to the stuffer is when the plunger is down there is still about 1/2lb of meat left in the canister,the left over we fry up to sample the batch. When we get set up we'll grind & stuff 100-200lbs in a day twice a year. we do our own deer and pigs at home.Hope this helps.
I use the Dakotah #10 pnd water stuffer, works great on snak stix and i use the jerky attatchment. Easy for 1 person to operate.
nepas
Quote from: NePaSmoKer on May 13, 2007, 01:07:31 PM
I use the Dakotah #10 pnd water stuffer, works great on snak stix and i use the jerky attatchment. Easy for 1 person to operate.
nepas
That's what I use to stuff my sausage. It works pretty smoothly.
sueblazer03,
I use a Cabelas' grinder (the baby version with the washing machine motor on it) and a 5# stuffer from the Sausage Maker. Combination works very well for me.
Just made 5# of beef snack sticks. 3.5 hours of smoke and everything came out great.
Arcs_n_Sparks
I use a 5# stuffer also. Here is a custom attachment that I put on my stuffer so that I can make (flat) beef sticks without using casings at all. It is SOOO much easier than the jerky cannon.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/xcelsmoke/Hornattch.jpg)
Jaeger;
I always liked your customized beef stick attachment.
Thanks Hab!
The nice thing about making beef sticks, you can buy beef already ground, mix it up and be smoking within the hour.
You know what, I think I just talked myself into making a batch this week. I know my taste tester would agree!!! :D ;D :D
Thanks everyone for the input. The Dacotah stuffer looks interesting. I haven't found any info on the size of the stuffing tubes. Do you regulate the speed with tap pressure? When things go wrong how bad does it get? Does it drain while you stuff?
The casings I have problems with are 19mm. My odd ball stuffer will work with the Jerky Cannon nozzles. The twin tubes are 1/2 inches in diameter and the casing fits on very tight and I can only get about 18 inches of casing on each tube. So it's still a long process.
It comes with a 3/4" and 3/8" tubes. The tubes cannot be used or swapped with the "standard" type of tubes that are on the market. They do sell a jerky kit for about $60.00.
You do regulate the speed with adjusting the water pressure. This can be done by increasing the flow from the faucet, but I find it is easier to adjust the speed by adjusting the water outlet. It does drain itself. To do that, you need to hold it up vertically and fully open the drain valve.
I've never had anything go really wrong, but their is a member who had a "blow out". Either the front or the rear of the unit blew off under the water pressure. There is a small learning curve, especially when you first try to insert the piston into the stuff.
If you search the web, you may find a deal, but I rarely find them on sale.
Here's a link to their website:
http://www.dakotahsausagestuffer.com/sausagestuffers.htm
This page may be helpful, but for some reason they have steps 1-11 on the right and 12-19 on the left. To operate:
http://www.dakotahsausagestuffer.com/operatestuf.htm
The way my needs are, I wish I had purchased the 5 pound modle. I now only make 5 - 6 pound batches, and the 5 pound modle takes up less space and probably easier to clean; besides costing less.
Hi All,
I'm new to this site and just purchased a DBS. However, I've been smoking and making sausage for years. I get all my sausage making supplies for The Sausage Maker. http://www.sausagemaker.com
It's a professional manufacturer that also sells to amateurs.
I have the 5lb stainless and I swear by it.
http://www.sausagemaker.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=957
I would suggest investing in the sausage stuffer instead of the grinder, as well.
Quote from: Arcs_n_Sparks on May 13, 2007, 04:41:36 PM
sueblazer03,
I use a Cabelas' grinder (the baby version with the washing machine motor on it) and a 5# stuffer from the Sausage Maker. Combination works very well for me.
Just made 5# of beef snack sticks. 3.5 hours of smoke and everything came out great.
Arcs_n_Sparks
Cabelas
Now your talkin sparkler :D :D
nepas
Thanks everyone. My husband decided he needed to go to Cabela's last Sunday. My son and I tagged a long. I picked up the stuffer and a grinder. (We got the mortgage paid off this month, so I decided on the extra treat. Separate bank accounts are wonderful.)
Any way I decided to clean up the stuffer on Monday. When I took out the 10mm stuffing tube there was a bright red sticker on it that said to add a minimum of 2 cups of water to each 10lbs of meat when using that tube. The 1st time I tried the 10mm tube on my other stuffer was with ground jerky very little water (The old man turned the crank) The last time I had all the meat ready but the recipe I booked marked was no longer available. So I faked it by looking at other cured sausage recipes. BUT no water. Now I'm thinking if I made more of a slurry my old stuffer might have worked better. It took my son and I about 2 hours to stuff 7lbs of snack sticks. I'm planning on trying out the new equiptment this weekend.
It always great to get a new gadget; especially after you have paid off the mortgage.
I just love new toys so I can play with my food!!! :D ;D Have fun with your new toys.
Quote10mm tube
Wow, that's small. Where did you find casings? My 3/8 in (19mm casing) stuffing tube is tough to use when I add water. You can add lots of water and it won't affect the flavor. It will actually help disperse the spice/cure more evenly. Congrats of the morgage burning party!!!
The 10mm is the same as the 3/8. I'm also using 19mm casing. Why they go circumference on the casings and and i/d on the tubes is beyond me. I live about 20 minutes away from Detroit Mi.and even though we are supposed to use metric in Canada most people still use inches etc. It gets confusing because because the stores advertise their meat by the sale price in lbs. but they sell it by the kilogram :o.
I now have 20 lbs of snack sticks waiting in the fridge. I'll smoke / bake them tomorrow. The 1/2 hp grinder worked like a charm. It took less than 10 minutes for each 10lbs batch. The unit was very quiet and it didn't heat up at all, even though there was a warning on the unit that it will run hot.
My son ran the 11lbs stuffer and his only complaint was that it was getting boring. Clean up was easy. My only complaint with the unit was that we had to pull the canistor out to load it with more meat. With the long snack stick nozzle on we couldn't load it by tipping it forward. I needed to have my son hold it while I refilled it. It is not stable on its own.
The grinder came with a "high speed snack stick stuffer" . Which is a small auger that ataches to the main auger and sits inside the 10mm stuffer tube. This wasn't listed on the box or in the catolog / website. Some day when I'm making a smaller batch I'll try it.