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Smoking Techniques => Curing => Topic started by: carnie1 on January 14, 2010, 05:38:54 PM

Title: Pancetta
Post by: carnie1 on January 14, 2010, 05:38:54 PM
Here is my first try at Pancetta as in the book Charcutrie

Dry Rub (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0361.jpg) Notice the nice chip on the stove, Missed the bag when crushing Juniper berries) Off to Home Depot for some touch up
Trimmed Pork Belly (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0362.jpg)
Ready to cure (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0363.jpg)
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: classicrockgriller on January 14, 2010, 05:55:32 PM
So it goes in the fridge for how long?

Looks pretty kewl!
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: carnie1 on January 14, 2010, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: classicrockgriller on January 14, 2010, 05:55:32 PM
So it goes in the fridge for how long?

Looks pretty kewl!
They claim 7 days
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: Quarlow on January 14, 2010, 08:23:38 PM
Mmmm I love pancetta. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: oakville smoker on January 15, 2010, 05:55:04 AM
Carnie

Looks awesome
Can you share the entire recipe?
I am very interested in this
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: Tenpoint5 on January 15, 2010, 07:19:06 AM
Looks like a good thing your doing there Carnie!! I will be watching closely. Bacon any way shape or form is still bacon and still good!!
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: carnie1 on January 15, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: oakville smoker on January 15, 2010, 05:55:04 AM
Carnie

Looks awesome
Can you share the entire recipe?
I am very interested in this
It was easier to make a PDF copy, Anyone wants it send me a PM with your email and I'll send you a copy
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: ExpatCanadian on January 26, 2010, 05:00:12 AM
Came across this topic quite late....  I'm actually about to start a belly with this recipe, so would appreciate any updates on the results!  My instinct will be to smoke it a little bit, but as Pancetta is typically unsmoked, I'll try to resist  :-\.  I buy a lot of it to cook with with (Spaghetti Carbonara is one of my favourite pasts dishes!)....  so this should save some money!

The recipe is actually available on Michael Ruhlman's blog site (http://blog.ruhlman.com/2009/06/home-cured-pancetta.html) as well, for those of you who haven't already got it in PDF format from Carnie1...
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: oakville smoker on January 26, 2010, 07:47:40 AM
So this version is like making side bacon except that its cured in the fridge and dried in the air and flat
When I think of pancetta, ( was married to an Italian butchers daughter in a previous life ) I think of a
cold cut that is round in shape, that has been cured and then hung to dry in a rolled up state.

If I had been smarter back then, I would have paid more attention to what he was doing.  But I did not
own a smoker and had a ready source for this stuff

Do you think the belly could be cured, rinsed, hung to dry for say a day and  then put in some kind of casing,
rolled up like a jelly roll and left to cure by its own devices?

This is becoming quite the challenge and obsession now...  LOL

ps.  that web site is an awesome site and its now marked for future considerations
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: Quarlow on January 26, 2010, 07:50:45 AM
I think they roll it and then bind it with butchers twine. I saw some in a deli like that once.
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: 3rensho on January 26, 2010, 08:31:03 AM
When I make mine I have both rolled some and left some flat.  Other that drying time haven't found much difference.
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: oakville smoker on January 26, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
3rensho

Do you just cure per this technique and roll with twine?
Do you put in a casing like a coppa?  My guess is the fat layer on the pancetta is pretty much all that is needed
The coppa being exposed meat would need the protection of the casing ?
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: 3rensho on January 26, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
Yes, just cure and roll it up tying with butchers twine.  Casing not needed because,  as you stated,  the layer of fat suffices.  Actually I never use a casing unless the meat is in chunks and needs a casing to hold it together and maintain shape.  Important thing is not letting the meat dry out too quickly if you live in a low humidity area.  If it dries too quickly the outside becomes impermeable to moisture and the inside, not being able to dry,  can spoil (in spite of the cure).
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: carnie1 on January 26, 2010, 06:41:38 PM
Quote from: Quarlow on January 26, 2010, 07:50:45 AM
I think they roll it and then bind it with butchers twine. I saw some in a deli like that once.

Thats what the book said, was just gonna post an update
Here is what it looked like before I put it up to hang
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0378.jpg)

I'll let you know in a few weeks
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: ExpatCanadian on January 27, 2010, 01:33:11 AM
Wow, that looks great Carnie!  I've actually been following another another food blog (http://seriouslygood.kdweeks.com/) for a while and came across a couple of photos of the cross section of one of these once finished.  I e-mailed the guy because he used a wine fridge to dry his, and I happen to have one of those.  The combination of higher (than fridge) temperature and high humidity makes it ideal for the slow drying that this requires.  I wanted to know the temperature he had it set to, and asked him a couple more questions:

Q. Do you remember what temperature you had it set to for that drying/aging phase?
A. As I recall between 50 and 55 Fahrenheit is ideal.

Q. Do you roll it after curing but before hanging it?
A. Roll and tie, then age. It doesn't have to be rolled but is better if you do and it can't be rolled after aging.

Q. Do you vary much from the Ruhlman recipe?
A. Not in technique (except for the wine fridge), but my curing mixture is an amalgam of several recipes.

The link for his recipe is here: http://seriouslygood.kdweeks.com/2007/01/pancetta.html (http://seriouslygood.kdweeks.com/2007/01/pancetta.html)

And another photo of his finished product...  it looks SO DAMN GOOD like this I think this is definitely the way to go!

(http://seriouslygood.kdweeks.com/images/pancetta-take2-02-400.JPG)

Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: KevinG on January 27, 2010, 04:45:41 AM
That came out great. Were you able to find touch up paint at home depot for the stove - I chipped mine in two places.
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: OU812 on January 27, 2010, 06:07:34 AM
Looks good so far, now the fun part, waiting.

I've been wanting to make some pancetta for quite some time now, cant wait to see your finished product.
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: carnie1 on January 27, 2010, 11:06:35 AM
Quote from: KevinG on January 27, 2010, 04:45:41 AM
That came out great. Were you able to find touch up paint at home depot for the stove - I chipped mine in two places.
Yep, all fixed  ;D
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: carnie1 on February 23, 2010, 04:22:17 PM
Pancetta is done, decided to pull it today and heres how it turned out, This was in the curing cabinet for 4 weeks.

(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0413.jpg)  (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0414.jpg)  (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0415.jpg)  (http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w73/carnie1/IMG_0416.jpg)
Casper gave his seal of approval so its vac bagged and in the freezer
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: Tenpoint5 on February 23, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
Very nice indeed Carnie. How did it taste?
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: OU812 on February 23, 2010, 05:03:23 PM
That looks grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrEAT!

Now I really want some.
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: carnie1 on February 23, 2010, 07:05:43 PM
Quote from: Tenpoint5 on February 23, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
Very nice indeed Carnie. How did it taste?
Very Good ;D
Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: ExpatCanadian on February 24, 2010, 05:19:46 AM

Looks great Carnie1!  I like that yours has a lot more fat marbling through it.  My own was far too lean I think.  I mean, more meat is good of course, but the fat is also a large part of the experience with anything like bacon, pancetta, guanciale etc. The taste is good, but you don't get enough fat rendering out during the cook, and  I actually found myself adding a little olive oil to the pan to get it to crisp up for use in the carbonara pasta I was making.

Also, your texture looks to be a lot more consistent than mine was.  In spite of being pretty careful to maintain the environment at around 65% humidity and 50oF, it became clear after I cut it open that the outside was pretty dry and the inside was still very wet.  I think the outside must have dried too quickly (possibly due to a lack of a proper fat coating?) creating a barrier.  Again, don't think this has affected the flavour at all...  just the overall texture.

Well done! Can't wait to have another go myself.

Title: Re: Pancetta
Post by: Caneyscud on February 24, 2010, 06:48:45 AM
Quote from: ExpatCanadian on February 24, 2010, 05:19:46 AM

..... guanciale etc.......


I had to google that one!