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Smoking Techniques => Sausage Making => Topic started by: Sailor on September 25, 2011, 10:43:55 AM

Title: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: Sailor on September 25, 2011, 10:43:55 AM
A few weeks ago I used the cellulose casing and hung in 1/2 rounds and did not have any trouble.  Today I hung straight and I had several that have pushed the bottom knot off and had meat fall out.  I tied and then cut the casing pretty close to the knot.  Don't do that.  DUH!  I think to make sure that this never happens again is once you tie off the bottom then pull out a little extra and double it back over and tie it again.  I think this will keep the bottom knot from slipping.  Just wanted to let you guys that bought these casings that you need to be careful on the bottom knot.  I stuffed pretty tight so I guess the weight caused the knot to slip. 
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: Keymaster on September 25, 2011, 11:02:48 AM
I've always hoped that did not happen to me. I need to get some hog rings I guess :)
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: Sailor on September 25, 2011, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Keymaster on September 25, 2011, 11:02:48 AM
I've always hoped that did not happen to me. I need to get some hog rings I guess :)
Yep....I think I will order some.  I need to order some high melt cheese and some hog casings so I recon that hog rings and pliers will fill the order out. 
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: cobra6223 on September 25, 2011, 02:54:02 PM
I was just wondering if hog rings would be better than tying, I have tried hog rings on some thing once where they didn't hold, I guess the casing was to small, never had it happen when making SS. I remember mow it was some beef rounds with liver sasuage and those dang things fell off just as fast as I could put them on, as far as hog pliers don't spend the extra money for the spring loaded paair, a good friend on here (Curt) told me to get the nonspring loaded ones and just use a rubberband on them, works great and way cheaper. Thanks again Jm.
Tim
PS do we soak these first?
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: pikeman_95 on September 25, 2011, 04:09:08 PM
I have been meaning to show how to tie a grease knot for a long time. This thread seems to be a good time to show the process. I have seen single tied casings that look like they could slip off and leak. This is the way the old time sausage makers tied the knot to keep grease from dripping in their smokers and the sausage slipping out of the casings.

First you pinch the casings together. You tie a simple knot on the casing.

(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad274/pikeman_95/101_7622.jpg)

Now fold the casing back over the string  and tie a square knot.

(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad274/pikeman_95/101_7624.jpg)
(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad274/pikeman_95/101_7625.jpg)

this is the side view.

(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad274/pikeman_95/101_7626.jpg) This sausage casings is dry but the wet casings will  tie much tighter. If you have a hog ring pliers set and are worried about them still slipping off you could also fold the casing like this and clamp it with a hog ring.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: GusRobin on September 25, 2011, 05:09:11 PM
thanks Kirby
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: cobra6223 on September 25, 2011, 05:23:41 PM
ditto what Gus says Kirby
Title: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: SamuelG on September 25, 2011, 06:03:45 PM
Thanks Kirby


SamuelG

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Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: Sailor on September 26, 2011, 05:45:13 AM
Thanks for the education on the knot. The cellulose casings will need that type of knot if you want to be sure not to have a knot slip and dumping meat.  I will be using that type of knot next time around for sure.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: Sailor on September 26, 2011, 05:57:35 AM
Quote from: cobra6223 on September 25, 2011, 02:54:02 PM
I was just wondering if hog rings would be better than tying, I have tried hog rings on some thing once where they didn't hold, I guess the casing was to small, never had it happen when making SS. I remember mow it was some beef rounds with liver sasuage and those dang things fell off just as fast as I could put them on, as far as hog pliers don't spend the extra money for the spring loaded paair, a good friend on here (Curt) told me to get the nonspring loaded ones and just use a rubberband on them, works great and way cheaper. Thanks again Jm.
Tim
PS do we soak these first?

Thanks for the heads up on the piliers.  As for the casings.....you don't need to soak them.  They stuff great just off the horn and pack solid.  They are almost like glass after you stuff them.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: OU812 on September 26, 2011, 09:09:41 AM
This rubber band trick will save you $20.00 on a set of spring loaded pliers.

(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww263/OU812_bucket/sausage/camera056.jpg)
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: viper125 on September 28, 2011, 01:01:47 PM
I've also had a problem with slipped knots. Maybe that will work. One question any one have any split up the side. I have and they wasn't stuffed to tight. Just wondering if any one knew why?
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: Sailor on September 28, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
Quote from: viper125 on September 28, 2011, 01:01:47 PM
I've also had a problem with slipped knots. Maybe that will work. One question any one have any split up the side. I have and they wasn't stuffed to tight. Just wondering if any one knew why?
What type of casings were you using?
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: OU812 on September 28, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
Quote from: viper125 on September 28, 2011, 01:01:47 PM
I've also had a problem with slipped knots. Maybe that will work. One question any one have any split up the side. I have and they wasn't stuffed to tight. Just wondering if any one knew why?

Were they collagen casings?

If so it sounds like the casing dried out, you need to store collagen casings in an air tight container and keep cool.

I store mine in a zip lock bag and in the veggie drawer in the fridge.

Edit; Fibrous casings will split if there not soaked in warm water long enough.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: viper125 on September 29, 2011, 06:43:18 AM
No they were cellulose casings and I had just received them. Just trying them out never used before.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: Sailor on September 29, 2011, 10:02:23 AM
Quote from: viper125 on September 29, 2011, 06:43:18 AM
No they were cellulose casings and I had just received them. Just trying them out never used before.
I have no idea why cellulose casings splint.  I got a roll from Allied Kenco when I first tried them.  I did have a blow out but that was my fault in getting used to the stuffing pressure.  Never had them split down the side.  The caddy of cellulose that we just got I stuffed a full tube and did not have a blow out or any splits and I stuffed them pretty tight.  I think I calculated that I could get .533 oz per inch an I ended up with about .59 oz per inch so they were really stuffed tight.  Looking at the casing I don't see any seams so I am thinking that they are extruded as seamless.  Wish I had an answer for you but I really don't know why the casings would split.  Where did you buy them?
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: viper125 on October 01, 2011, 08:57:33 AM
Well that's were I got these too. Don't know what happened. They looked good then a few split. I will try the not too. Had one come untied.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: classicrockgriller on October 01, 2011, 09:17:56 AM
This has been a good thread and thanks for all the heads up info.

Looking forward to making sausage with these new casings.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: pikeman_95 on October 01, 2011, 09:22:27 AM
Thanks for the rubber band on the pliers idea. I have dropped more then a few hog rings and the steady pressure of the rubber band will stop that annoyance. We all seem to learn something new when we put our combined minds together on our hobby. [or should I say passion]
Thanks.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: snagman on October 05, 2011, 04:16:06 PM
One tie that works unfailingly - a cable tie, available in many sizes, clear or black, can be pulled much tighter than  string. Double the end over once, put on tie and pull tight.
Title: Re: Something to watch for using Cellulose casings.
Post by: classicrockgriller on October 05, 2011, 04:18:04 PM
Thanks for the info snagman.

Welcome to the Forum.

Maybe you can post some pics of that.