Ok Gang, I had a friend of min build me a PID and it works fine except (there always seems to be an except) I plug my PID into the wall socket and my BS into the other end of the with the PID in the middle. When it comes up to temp the PID shuts the whole unit until off the temp drops down and the Pid tells it to come on again.. My problem is the smoke generator turns off also so it interupts the smoke time. It does make the wood pucks last longer, but I didn't get the good smoke ring on my brisket.... I wonder if I could put the PID in line on the short cord between the smoke gererator and the cabnet?, and if so could I buy an extra short cord because I don't want to use my PID all the time so I could go back to the regular cord ???........Man I love this thing Cajun
Hi Cajun
I don't know if you have a OBS or DBS. I have a DBS with a PID. My PID is plugged into the wall and then into the tower heater. The Smoke Generator is also plugged into the wall outlet. I think guys with the OBS have the option of powering the PID separately or through the generator.
If you power it separately you want to make sure you built a fuse into the PID. If it's powered from the generator it will be protected by the fuse in the generator.
Mike
??? Smoke Ring? ???
Wow thats weird, my pid did that the 1st time i used it. Unplugged it plugged it back in and it worked? But now i have a guru/raptor, works every time ;D
nepas
I have an OBS and PID add-on. It is set up so the PID just switches the box heater off and on. The generator is plugged directly into 220V and I use the on/off switch on the generator to control that. Have never seen a DBS so don't know what is required for that setup.
Tom
Cajun
To add to my post you don't want the PID running the etire unit (Smoke Generator and tower). You only want it running the tower. That way it will have no effect on the Smoke Generator.
Mike
I also like the guru/raptor that nepas mentioned. More expensive but in my opinion worth it especially with the ramp feature to prevent over cooking. Just my 2 cents.
If you purchase the correct PID you can have the ramp/soak feature as well. I believe it is Outlander that set his up that way.
Mike
Cajun,
The PID needs to be plugged in between the power and the heater on the cabinet, so it runs the heater in the cabinet. If I remember right by your other post you have a original model. I plug it (pid) into the smoke generator on mine then plug the cord from the cabinet into the output of the pid, it is a original model too.
Mark
Some generator to tower cords have funny lookin' ends on both ends (male and female, but both funny lookin')...mine has this setup. I'm either going to have to sacrifice an old computer cord and run off of 2 outlets, or buy a longer cord with the funny lookin' ends to run the PID between the smoke gen and tower.
Between that and not being able to decide between 2 different boxes to use, I have everything rounded up to build mine, but waiting on my decision(s).
You don't want to interrupt the power to the generator. I have the Raptor/Guru, and when they were first made they did not come with installation directions. The first time I hooked up the Raptor to the generator, the power to the generator got disrupted during the 20 minute cycle and the pucks got jammed up pretty good. It also cuts off the power to the heating pad, and you bisquettes will not smoke efficiently, and you will not get a "smoke ring". :)
The different cord that Tiny Tim mentioned is what is generally called a computer power cord extender if you purchase it at a computer supply store. That type of cord has a "hood" surrounding the prongs on the male end of the cord, making it impossible to plug that cord into an outlet.
OK Hab Where can I get one of the longer cord to go between the generator and the smoke box (" with the funny little ends") I really don't want to cut my origional cord for (emergencies) ;D Someone said a computer cord but I'M a little slow in that area ??? Who, where, or what do I ask for??? Please bare with me :o Thanks Cajun
That cord is an IEC cord with C13 and C14 ends. I found a guy on ebay with 7 of 'em to sell, $8.95 + $8.26 shipping. Leaning that way myself, unless I can find something cheaper in the next couple of days.
Here is a link to a site that sells them. There is also a picture of the ends.
http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=914&sku=03141
The simple thing to do is supply power directly from your wall outlet, into your PID, then into your tower heater. Plug the smoke generator into the wall outlet as well. By doing it this way you don't need the above cord.
Mike
Quote from: Cajun on April 10, 2007, 04:36:23 PM
OK Hab Where can I get one of the longer cord to go between the generator and the smoke box (" with the funny little ends") I really don't want to cut my origional cord for (emergencies) ;D Someone said a computer cord but I'M a little slow in that area ??? Who, where, or what do I ask for??? Please bare with me :o Thanks Cajun
Sorry for any confusion. I did not mean that is the cord you need, I was just clarifying what the cord TT was talking about. There was a lot of confusion when it was first mentioned that Bradley had changed the cords. So one day while at Gander Mt. I took a look at one and immediately recognized it.
If your Bradley came with the a power cord that is generally referred to as a computer power cord extender (extension), you will need to change it to a regular computer power cord if you wanted to plug the heating element directly into a standard outlet. If you already have the regular computer power cord, you are all set. If you don't, you can get the regular computer power cords from many stores such as Radio Shack; Staples, or off the net.
I think I have it figured out what I want to do, but want to make sure my intended wiring is correct (also could change yet...don't know).
What I'm now thinking is to install 2 duplex outlets in my box with an extension cord as the power provider. The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets. The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID. The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse). Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet. SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7. Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5.
In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2.
Anybody see any problems with this setup?
I think Mr. Wallie has the right idea, and just plug the tower into the wall outlet after going into the PID and plug the generator into the other outlet. I'll just have to put a fuse in the PID. Thanks Mike.........The Cajun
Tiny
I'm definitely no expert and hopefully Arcs will chime in with some comments but I will give you my thoughts.
"The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets."
This seems to be correct
"The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID."
This seems to be correct
"The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse)."
From what Arcs explained to me the hot (black wire) should be fused first, but I see you are going to use this 1st outlet for you SG which already has a fuse in it. So the hot would go to your first outlet, then to the L1 on the SSR and to 9 on the PID (with a 1 amp fuse). I don't know if it makes a difference which way you run through the SSR or not but this is based on the wiring diagram on Olds site. I only used a 8 amp fuse but you will also be running the generator through this fuse so you probably what to stick with the 10 amp fuse.
"Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet."
This would now be T1 to the hot on the second outlet which would be fused from the step above and this outlet would run your tower heater.
"SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7."
This seems to be correct
"Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5."
This seems to be correct
"In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2."
This seems to be correct
I hope Arcs has a look at this, like I said I'm not an expert by any means of the word.
Mike
Quote from: Tiny Tim on April 11, 2007, 02:38:21 PM
I think I have it figured out what I want to do, but want to make sure my intended wiring is correct (also could change yet...don't know).
What I'm now thinking is to install 2 duplex outlets in my box with an extension cord as the power provider. The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets. The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID. The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse). Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet. SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7. Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5.
In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2.
Anybody see any problems with this setup?
TT,
Follow Mr. Walleye's thread here (I suspect you have): http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=4639.0; his JPEG diagram is very helpful.
Basically, on the right hand side where it indicates power from the generator, you will get your power from the hot on your first duplex outlet. On the left hand side where it indicates power to the smoker, you will route that to your second duplex outlet. That way, the first duplex outlet is always hot (for the smoke generator) and the second duplex outlet is driven by the PID controller (for the box).
However, you can do this with a single duplex outlet if you split it. If you look at both the hot and neutral screw terminal pairs, you will see a bridge element between the screw pairs. Breaking that connection on both sides splits the outlet. This is usually done on outlets where one stays hot, and the other is switched (usually for a lamp). I can post a picture if necessary.
Of course, you may want additional hot outlets for accessories. In that case, you could still split your second duplex outlet, since you only need one outlet that is PID controlled. That way, you would have three hot outlets.
Arcs_n_Sparks
Thanks Arcs. I was looking at the diagram on the recipe site and pretty much tried to draw my own that way. I may not have explained it all right, but I think I know what I'm doing now.
Also thought about using a one outlet, breaking the bridge, but I thought it would be harder to get confused (when setting up to smoke) by running separate outlets. :D
Oh yeah...thanks to you also, Mr. Walleye.
Quote from: Mr Walleye on April 11, 2007, 07:42:29 PM
Tiny
I'm definitely no expert and hopefully Arcs will chime in with some comments but I will give you my thoughts.
"The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets."
This seems to be correct
"The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID."
This seems to be correct
"The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse)."
From what Arcs explained to me the hot (black wire) should be fused first, but I see you are going to use this 1st outlet for you SG which already has a fuse in it. So the hot would go to your first outlet, then to the L1 on the SSR and to 9 on the PID (with a 1 amp fuse). I don't know if it makes a difference which way you run through the SSR or not but this is based on the wiring diagram on Olds site. I only used a 8 amp fuse but you will also be running the generator through this fuse so you probably what to stick with the 10 amp fuse.
"Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet."
This would now be T1 to the hot on the second outlet which would be fused from the step above and this outlet would run your tower heater.
"SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7."
This seems to be correct
"Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5."
This seems to be correct
"In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2."
This seems to be correct
I hope Arcs has a look at this, like I said I'm not an expert by any means of the word.
Mike
Initially, I was arguing with what you posted on your third comment in here, and anything else attributed to it. I see now by looking at my printed pic that I was reading the diagram left to right, thinking the power cord was coming from the wall, and that's the way I had drawn up
my diagram. I see now that I should have read it right to left, and your comments now make much more sense.
Still looking for my corded Dremel tool to cut some holes for the outlet(s)...soon as I find that, I can get started.
Thanks for all the help, guys.
Tiny
I know when I did mine it took me a while to figure that out as well. ;D
Mike
On mine I fineally had to run two cords one to the smoke gererator and one to the PID and then on to the tower cause when the PID would do it's thing, it would not turn off the smoke gererator, and that worked fine. Now evrything is fine in cajun land ;)