PID Workings

[Tiny Tim]

I think I have it figured out what I want to do, but want to make sure my intended wiring is correct (also could change yet...don't know).

What I'm now thinking is to install 2 duplex outlets in my box with an extension cord as the power provider.  The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets.  The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID.  The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse).  Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet.  SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7.  Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5.

In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2.

Anybody see any problems with this setup?

[Cajun]

  I think Mr. Wallie has the right idea, and just plug the tower into the wall outlet after going into the PID and plug the generator into the other outlet. I'll just have to put a fuse in the PID.   Thanks Mike.........The Cajun

[Mr Walleye]

Tiny

I'm definitely no expert and hopefully Arcs will chime in with some comments but I will give you my thoughts.

"The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets."
This seems to be correct

"The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID."
This seems to be correct

"The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse)."
From what Arcs explained to me the hot (black wire) should be fused first, but I see you are going to use this 1st outlet for you SG which already has a fuse in it. So the hot would go to your first outlet, then to the L1 on the SSR and to 9 on the PID (with a 1 amp fuse). I don't know if it makes a difference which way you run through the SSR or not but this is based on the wiring diagram on Olds site. I only used a 8 amp fuse but you will also be running the generator through this fuse so you probably what to stick with the 10 amp fuse.

"Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet."
This would now be T1 to the hot on the second outlet which would be fused from the step above and this outlet would run your tower heater.

"SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7."
This seems to be correct

"Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5."
This seems to be correct

"In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2."
This seems to be correct

I hope Arcs has a look at this, like I said I'm not an expert by any means of the word.

Mike

[Arcs_n_Sparks]

I think I have it figured out what I want to do, but want to make sure my intended wiring is correct (also could change yet...don't know).

What I'm now thinking is to install 2 duplex outlets in my box with an extension cord as the power provider.  The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets.  The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID.  The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse).  Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet.  SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7.  Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5.

In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2.

Anybody see any problems with this setup?

TT,

Follow Mr. Walleye's thread here (I suspect you have): http://forum.bradleysmoker.com/index.php?topic=4639.0; his JPEG diagram is very helpful.

Basically, on the right hand side where it indicates power from the generator, you will get your power from the hot on your first duplex outlet. On the left hand side where it indicates power to the smoker, you will route that to your second duplex outlet. That way, the first duplex outlet is always hot (for the smoke generator) and the second duplex outlet is driven by the PID controller (for the box).

However, you can do this with a single duplex outlet if you split it. If you look at both the hot and neutral screw terminal pairs, you will see a bridge element between the screw pairs. Breaking that connection on both sides splits the outlet. This is usually done on outlets where one stays hot, and the other is switched (usually for a lamp). I can post a picture if necessary.

Of course, you may want additional hot outlets for accessories. In that case, you could still split your second duplex outlet, since you only need one outlet that is PID controlled. That way, you would have three hot outlets.

Arcs_n_Sparks

[Tiny Tim]

Thanks Arcs.  I was looking at the diagram on the recipe site and pretty much tried to draw my own that way.  I may not have explained it all right, but I think I know what I'm doing now.

Also thought about using a one outlet, breaking the bridge, but I thought it would be harder to get confused (when setting up to smoke) by running separate outlets. :D

Oh yeah...thanks to you also, Mr. Walleye.

[Tiny Tim]

Tiny

I'm definitely no expert and hopefully Arcs will chime in with some comments but I will give you my thoughts.

"The ground wire gets connected to the green/ground terminal on both outlets."
This seems to be correct

"The white wire would go to the neutral on both outlets, and to the #10 on the PID."
This seems to be correct

"The black, hot wire goes to the hot side of the first outlet, then to the T1 of the SSR (with 10A fuse)."
From what Arcs explained to me the hot (black wire) should be fused first, but I see you are going to use this 1st outlet for you SG which already has a fuse in it. So the hot would go to your first outlet, then to the L1 on the SSR and to 9 on the PID (with a 1 amp fuse). I don't know if it makes a difference which way you run through the SSR or not but this is based on the wiring diagram on Olds site. I only used a 8 amp fuse but you will also be running the generator through this fuse so you probably what to stick with the 10 amp fuse.

"Wire from the L1 of the SSR to both the #9 on PID (with 1A fuse) and hot of the second outlet."
This would now be T1 to the hot on the second outlet which would be fused from the step above and this outlet would run your tower heater.

"SSR A2 goes to PID8, SSR A1 to PID7."
This seems to be correct

"Thermocouple to PID 4 and 5."
This seems to be correct

"In this setup, the Smoke Gen gets plugged in to outlet 1 and the heater in to outlet 2."
This seems to be correct

I hope Arcs has a look at this, like I said I'm not an expert by any means of the word.

Mike

Initially, I was arguing with what you posted on your third comment in here, and anything else attributed to it.  I see now by looking at my printed pic that I was reading the diagram left to right, thinking the power cord was coming from the wall, and that's the way I had drawn up my diagram.  I see now that I should have read it right to left, and your comments now make much more sense.

Still looking for my corded Dremel tool to cut some holes for the outlet(s)...soon as I find that, I can get started.

Thanks for all the help, guys.

[Mr Walleye]

Tiny

I know when I did mine it took me a while to figure that out as well.  ;D

Mike

[Cajun]

On mine I fineally had to run two cords one to the smoke gererator and one to the PID and then on to the tower cause when the PID would do it's thing, it would not turn off the smoke gererator, and that worked fine. Now evrything is fine in cajun land  ;)