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Bradley Smokers => The NEW Bradley Original Smoker (BS611) => Topic started by: Boise Jim on March 22, 2022, 04:41:13 pm

Title: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on March 22, 2022, 04:41:13 pm
I have spent WAY too much time researching this problem. Got a PID (Auber 2362) with an SSR and TC, and got it wired up, which was a pain to figure out in the first place. Everything is working and wired according to the instructions, but it is not holding the temperature. The smoker still runs at full power regardless. I've changed the settings countless numbers of times on the PID but with no luck. When I try to autotune, it just cranks up all the way and the smoker gets to about 275 and just stays there, even after about four hours.

What in the hell could I be doing wrong?
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: cathouse willy on March 22, 2022, 10:36:15 pm
I'll have a go at helping here. You say you had a hard time with the wiring? If you look carefully I'll bet you'll find a wiring error, a second pair of eyes could help, have someone else check it for you, often you can look right at the error and not see it. Make sure that the power to the ssr runs through the pids relay contact. It's also possible you have a faulty unit but recheck your wiring.
Hope this helps.
chw
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on March 23, 2022, 07:31:01 am
Thanks, CW. Yeah, that's how I have it. The + and - from the PID to the SSR, and the one like you said, plus the other wire from the SSR to the red wire at the plug for the heating element.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on March 25, 2022, 08:35:48 am
For people who may stumble on this in the future, Auber sent me a couple of good documents I'm going to try this weekend. I'll update this with my attempt to fix it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B14y9IPNqGuoeTZMWkdUb0p4NFE/view?usp=sharing&resourcekey=0-yOM_jD1H77lYVClTg0NLiA

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B14y9IPNqGuoem44YTFjUWF5Vjg/view?usp=sharing&resourcekey=0-KrsKi-GLNQotwX3i8ES1Lg
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Habanero Smoker on March 25, 2022, 01:33:04 pm
I hope that resolves your problem.

Thanks for making those documents available to the forum.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on April 01, 2022, 10:04:14 am
Hey HS-
Nope, still not working. Is the OUT light on the PID supposed to stay lit continuously, or blink while it's activated? Mine blinks in synchronization with the SSR.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Habanero Smoker on April 01, 2022, 02:49:47 pm
I use a Stoker and the Thermoworks Signal.

I'm not that knowledgable with the Auber products. I believe that light should only blink after it reaches the desired temperature. Sometimes a visual tutor can be helpful. I came across the following video by Auber:

Auber SYL-2362 PID (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rLFdbJo0cE)
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: TedEbear on April 03, 2022, 06:01:28 pm
Click on the link below to the 6-minute video and verify that your wiring is the same as what they show.  I have an Auber SYL-2352 (close to your model) connected to an SSR in an older Bradley Original smoker and it works fine.

Auber SYL-2362 PID temperature controller (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rLFdbJo0cE)

The instruction manual for the 2362 says that it comes pre-configured for use with a K-type TC.  If yours is something different it needs to be changed in the settings.  Also, it's possible that it was accidentally changed when you were changing some other parameter.  Double check that it is correct.

Also, I just checked mine and the OUT light only comes on and remains on while a signal is being sent to the SSR to supply power to the heating element.  Be sure everything is wired according to Figure 2 in the instruction manual.

PID Controller terminals:

#1 (incoming power + or -)
#2 (incoming power + or -)
#6 (SSR +)
#7 (SSR -)
#9 (TC +)
#10 (TC -)


SSR terminals:

#1 (outgoing 120V power to heating element)
#2 (incoming 120V power - not from the PID controller)
#3 (from terminal #6 of the PID controller)
#4 (from terminal #7 of the PID controller)



Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on April 04, 2022, 11:47:32 am
Yeah, thanks, TedEbear. I've watched that video probably a dozen times, and that's exactly how I have mine wired. Suspecting a bad PID.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on April 09, 2022, 09:33:20 am
HeyTEb- What wire did you connect to on the BS611 for the SSR outgoing power? I have everything wired (I believe) correctly, and Auber has been great about giving me ways to test the PID and the SSR, which show that both are OK.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: TedEbear on April 12, 2022, 09:36:55 pm
I connected the outgoing 120V power wire from the SSR to the back of the plug inside the smoke generator. The other connector on the back of the plug is the neutral. There's also the ground but that one should be easy to identify.

My Bradley is an older style, not a BS611, but the wiring connecting to the plug in the SG that goes to the tower should be the same. I'll post a closeup pic later of the wiring inside my SG if you want it.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on May 25, 2022, 03:01:51 pm
I hate to keep bugging you about this, but a pic would be fantastic!
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: TedEbear on May 25, 2022, 08:58:39 pm
I hate to keep bugging you about this, but a pic would be fantastic!

OK, I was waiting for a reply that you wanted a pic.  If you give me a day or so I'll get a few detailed pics of inside the SG box. I'm dealing with long term healthcare issues for an elderly relative right now and it's a bit overwhelming.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on May 26, 2022, 08:05:43 am
Oh, man, sorry to hear about that. Take your time.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: TedEbear on May 29, 2022, 03:08:37 pm
OK, I finally had some time today to take the cover off my SG and take some pics.  Study the ones below and if you have any questions ask away. I added a number above each pic, so if you have a question about a specific one it'll make it easier to refer to it.

#1:

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/L4jXhdXU4Tz2uAxaA)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/L4jXhdXU4Tz2uAxaA

#2:

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/vQLuJxaqYAZM9YL87)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vQLuJxaqYAZM9YL87

#3:

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/dfPD7yJQkfAug6Wh6)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dfPD7yJQkfAug6Wh6

#4:

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ek9cqoTnQx2ngfHj9)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ek9cqoTnQx2ngfHj9



Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: TedEbear on May 29, 2022, 03:10:03 pm
Some more pics:

#5:

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/o3nER1uyA8zukDp99)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/o3nER1uyA8zukDp99

#6:

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/orLGNQGt1ET8JWsm6)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/orLGNQGt1ET8JWsm6

#7:

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/2fwMDXDxvUUBgg2JA)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/a1LdNvgMxMnYJkn57

Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on May 30, 2022, 11:55:46 am
Can't thank you enough, but for some reason, the pictures aren't showing up.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: TedEbear on May 30, 2022, 08:41:13 pm
Yes, I can no longer see them in my two replies, either.  They were there after I initially posted the replies the other day.

I just edited the two replies.  After several failed attempts to have the pics show up directly in the messages I finally posted a link to each one.  You should be able to see them by clicking on the individual links.
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Boise Jim on July 19, 2022, 09:38:14 am
Well, after many hours of frustration, I removed the PID and reset the wiring. The big problem I was having was that it was running at full power regardless of where I set the temp. Lo and behold, now it runs at full temp regardless of where I set the dial. Have a feeling I damaged something...
Title: Re: Frustrated with PID
Post by: Habanero Smoker on July 20, 2022, 03:53:13 am
Sorry to hear you are still having problems.

I'm not familiar with the New Original that has the rheostat built into the generator. You may have damaged the rheostat, or hooked up the wiring incorrectly.

You are no longer under warranty, but give Bradley a call. They may help you troubleshoot, or send you a schematic of the wiring.