How Real ID will affect you....

Oldman · October 22, 2006, 01:28:01 PM

Oldman · October 23, 2006, 02:42:00 PM

I cannot believe that after this anount of time that no one has posted concerning this thread.........what no one see a problem here....?

iceman · October 23, 2006, 03:25:31 PM

Sorry Old's I just saw it and the work fire wall won't let me get to it the thread right now. I'm going to read it Tuesday night if and when I get home. (Maybe even get a chance to hit the chat room too)!

Kummok · October 23, 2006, 03:48:29 PM

The only problem for me so far has been matching the proper ink to the proper paper. Solved that challenge a week ago though and now have several ready for immediate retail!! :o ;D ;)

Opps! Hope that there's no DHS smokers lurking :o

OK OK, Juuuuuuuust kidding ($250 each....Dang there I go again.....somebody STOP me before I get arrested!) (If I DO get arrested, I wanna go to Club Gitmo, where I can get more luxuries than in my own hometown!)

In all honesty, this news is really old news for me.....I still have my old Social (In)Security card that says "Not for identification purposes", even though you can't get much done anymore in US without your SSN "ID"

I AM somewhat surprised to see this inevitable national ID coming from a so-called "conservative" led administration....I would have expected it from a more liberal administration, along with the VISA logo next to my photo, so I could go shopping at my local social services mall easier. Oh, wait, I'm a legal tax paying US citizen....I can't "charge" free medical, I have to pay cash.

Sorry TG.....couldn't resist having a little fun with this one ;) ;D ;D

Arcs_n_Sparks · October 23, 2006, 05:01:29 PM

Most of that stuff is already on my California drivers license, and is probably true for any state DL that has a mag strip on the back.

Arcs_n_Sparks

TomG · October 23, 2006, 07:11:39 PM

Quote from: Kummok on October 23, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
(If I DO get arrested, I wanna go to Club Gitmo, where I can get more luxuries than in my own hometown!)

Guantanamo Bay, Cuba vs. Anchorage, Alaska, November to April ??? Ahhh! Hook me up and put the majitos on my tab. ;) ;D

Oldman · October 24, 2006, 06:10:04 AM

QuoteMost of that stuff is already on my California drivers license, and is probably true for any state DL that has a mag strip on the back.

Maybe...maybe not. However, you don't need your drivers license to make a deposit into your own bank account. It will come down that you cannot make a major purchase without this card. On this card will be anything that the chief of homeland security deems necessary. Your date of birth, who your parents are, your SS#, your real address, (no PO Box) your bank account # --anything he wants.

It is not the government that worries me. It is the fact that this card will be a swipe card and that all readers must be able to read it. This means if 7-11 wants to swipe your card you have to allow it. Thus all of your information will be part of their network. Opps are you sure you want this information within a retailer's system? Talk about ID thief...

This card is to make us safer....(?) or so we are being told. What do you think will happen once this card is in effect and there is another 9-11? Opps card not working to keep us safe...we need to track everyone....does embedded chip come to mind?

Don't say the goverment is not going to go this way. At the moment there is a movement now to track in real time every fishing boat in our waters.

OH here is another one that would never happen... RIP Habeus Corpus for American Citizens!
Tuesday, October 17, 2006; 12:46 PM

President Bush this morning proudly signed into law a bill that critics consider one of the most un-American in the nation's long history.

The new law vaguely bans torture -- but makes the administration the arbiter of what is torture and what isn't. It allows the president to imprison indefinitely anyone he decides falls under a wide-ranging new definition of unlawful combatant. It suspends the Great Writ of habeas corpus for detainees. It allows coerced testimony at trial. It immunizes retroactively interrogators who may have engaged in torture.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/10/17/BL2006101700619.html

Things are changing and I don't like what I am seeing.

icerat4 · October 24, 2006, 06:49:35 AM

Wow ME AND OLDS AGREE ON ANOTHER issue.Holy COW.
Honey go get the champne were celebrating.Its nut huh olds just when ya think ya seen it all.I pray for my kids everyday to live in this crazy place call earth.

Habanero Smoker · October 24, 2006, 08:29:36 AM

It is one of the reasons I don't enroll in many of the memberships that stores offer, and when you use the card they give you a "discount" on your purchases. When the clerk swipes your membership card it gathers information on your purchases and store them in a data bank. They will sell that information to marketing agencies and others. I have a problem with letting CVS track what over the counter medications I buy. Will they sell that information to insurance companies????

I agree this is scary stuff. Especially when you read that the administration is thinking about outsourcing our security to private agencies, because there are not enough FBI, CIA and NSA agents. It's bad enough that you will be force to swipe that card; but my take is that 7-11 will only be able to access name, address and phone number. Though I don't understand why 7-11 would need that information to sell me a slurpy. The rest of the information is encrypted and that information will be sent to the Homeland Security database being made accessible to who know what. Could you imagine the type of personal information they will obtain on each individual.

If they go through with the RFID, then they can scan you without you presenting the card. Though most RFID devices limit their radio range to 3 feet or less, it they wanted they could send that signal farther. Now that I think about it; I may get rid of my EZ-pass. :-\

iceman · October 24, 2006, 09:26:32 AM

After reading that stuff it makes me want to hit the fly in lodge and stay there forever! That way if they want to scan my sorry behind it would have to be via satellite. (Which they already do anyhow)! :o

Kummok · October 24, 2006, 12:35:54 PM

Quote from: TomG on October 23, 2006, 07:11:39 PM
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba vs. Anchorage, Alaska, November to April ??? Ahhh! Hook me up and put the majitos on my tab. ;) ;D

Anchorage ANYTIME of the year is NOT for me...too many angry people anymore up there and they all drive crazy! :o

Homer however, is a different story...too hard to leave, even in the cold weather. I've always said that the best cure for cabin fever is to scratch your back on a Mexican Palm tree growing out of white coral sand, BUT I can't leave here during Nov/Dec because of the XLNT King fishing, then the ptarmigan hunting on snowmachines keeps me here Jan-Mar. Sooooo, save me uno cerveza for April! 8)

boxertrio · October 24, 2006, 01:03:11 PM

My dad still remembers when his dad thought a drivers licence was a "mark of the beast", and the same when he had to get a SSN. ::) My grandma still wont get a credit card because they require her SSN and address.

ehhh....just a sign of the times, . If the feds want to know what kind of Slurpie I drink (grape) or what shoes I wear (Adidas),no problem. As far as major purchases, they already know what you spend on your house, car etc... from the taxes you pay. They know what kind and how many guns you own because of FSLA (unless you gained them through criminal means ;D), with some exceptions.

When I file my taxes, all the info mentioned above and more gets read by how many people in the IRS and such. All that info is already available to security agencies.

iceman · October 24, 2006, 01:17:38 PM

Quote from: Kummok on October 24, 2006, 12:35:54 PM

Anchorage ANYTIME of the year is NOT for me...too many angry people anymore up there and they all drive crazy! :o

Folks in Wasilla and Palmer are fearing for the worst also now that they found out me and Vampyr are up in that territory. :o ;D :D
As far as Anchorage goes I heard they don't have enough chlorine to clean that messed up pool out. ::) :D ;)
Just kidding, but Anchorage is getting crazy non the less.

TomG · October 24, 2006, 03:37:29 PM

Oldman, I along with State Rights Conservatives, Evangelicals, and seemingly the entire Democratic Party let this one slide under the radar without a fight. If you hadn't reposted, I probably still wouldn't know anything about it. You get my vote for Forum Watchdog. Besides its other potential problems, is it also an unfunded Fed. mandate ? Wikipedia has an excellent review with links... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act

Quote from: Oldman on October 24, 2006, 06:10:04 AM
OH here is another one that would never happen... RIP Habeus Corpus for American Citizens!
Tuesday, October 17, 2006; 12:46 PM

If Clinton had signed that into law, the streets would have filled with outraged, cobble stone throwing mobs.

Kummok · October 24, 2006, 04:29:21 PM

Quote from: TomG on October 24, 2006, 03:37:29 PM
If Clinton had signed that into law, the streets would have filled with outraged, cobble stone throwing mobs.

As I recall, WJC was pretty busy with, er, uhhh, "other" activities :o and might have also let this one slip by while his attention was, er, uhhhh, distracted ;) :D :D

All funnin' aside, TG, it seems that whatever the story is, we all tend to see how different it would have been characterized if our guy/gal had done the same thing. (I'm just as guilty as the next person in that perspective!) Even though I submit to more SSN usage than I'd like, have several local/state/national ID cards and have worn dog tags stamped with my religious preference and blood type, this national ID thing is a little too "euro" for THIS mostly conservative Christian.

I've done some research into the "mark of the beast" v.s. things like IDs and chip implants, Boxer. Based upon my research so far, I currently believe that the national ID isn't the "mark", but it certainly desensitizes younger generations into a dangerous acceptance of such "human inventory/control" programs, which certainly take us in that direction. Those of us that have been around awhile DO know the difference between how some significant current programs were initially "sold" and what they've actually become, (e.g. so-called Social Security and the "temporary war support" tax that became the income tax), once the camel got his nose under the tent. I wouldn't sell your grandma too short.....distrust of politicians and refusal to accept some of their programs can be more a sign of good sense than of paranoid senility! ;) "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it" and that history is NOT always what you get in the public school system. As Native Americans have historically found, history is documented by the conquerers and not always as sterile as we'd like to see.....often it's the elders who are a good source of a more accurate history and certainly not ones to be too easily dis'd ;)

Sheesh....that's waaaaay more dissertation than I'm used to in one day. Time to go stir up the ptarmigan stew/Thai Jasmine rice/Baby spinach (e-coli linens!), instead of this 'Misc Topics' thread!! ;) ;D