shipping smoked salmon

jd748 · May 08, 2009, 02:23:43 PM

My girlfriend is on vacation in ontario ( i live in BC) and she wants me to send some smoked salmon to her so she can share it with her family there..
I have been using a recipe close to kummoks.. a raw egg floats in the brine.
And have been following his guidelines for temp times.

I also have made a few pounds of Spyguys Lox.
She would like some of both sent over there but i was not too sure on how long it would last at room temp.. i would ship the quickest way, but thought i would get some "expert" advise from some of you on here.
They are froze at the current time and vacume sealed.

Normally i take a bag out of the freezer and it doesn't last long enough to concern me...

Habanero Smoker · May 08, 2009, 02:34:18 PM

Although the lox are cured (salt cured) I would still want it refrigerated, and kummok's salmon needs to be treated like any cooked fish. I would try to locate a place that sells dry ice, pack it in a small styrofoam container and then in a cardboard box and ship it. When using dry ice, place a towel between the ice and the food. The place that sells the dry ice should be able to provide you with information on packing, and how much ice will be needed.

jd748 · May 08, 2009, 02:40:04 PM

Thanks for the reply Habs...
I will look into it and see if it is worth it..
Maybe they will just have to come and see me for a taste :)
I don't really want to risk getting anyone sick.

lumpy · May 09, 2009, 07:38:20 AM

Send it to me, I live in Kitchener and I will make sure your girlfriend gets it :)

Just kidd'n. I would find a dry ice supplier.

Lumpy

Kummok · May 09, 2009, 07:27:28 PM

Can't speak to Canadian shipping regulations (cuz I smuggle everything up here....juuuuuust kidding, T2!!), but I'm not allowed to ship dry ice packed fish from here to America...it off-gasses CO2.

Not a problem though....I ship frozen fish and frozen smoked salmon frequently and have never had a problem with sending it vac sealed, in cardboard box w/ styrofoam innards (and sometimes a small Igloo ice chest sealed with duct tape) and a frozen gel pack. I ship it 2nd day FedEx and it has always arrived frozen...not brick hard, but still frozen. I've sent as much as 50# and as little as 10# this way and never had a squishy arrival...not even to Phoenix, AZ in the summer!!

ExpatCanadian · May 12, 2009, 11:44:43 AM

WOW... as always this forum NEVER ceases to amaze me. If I need an answer, it's right here. I am in exactly the same situation.... I need to (want to) ship some of Kummoks salmon (well, MY salmon, but you know what I mean!) from London, UK to some good friends in Amsterdam. Some of you may remember a while back I posted something about a goldsmith friend in Amsterdam who had found a scrap of aluminum rod to make me some Bubba pucks on his lathe? Well, long story short... he has, and I want to "pay" him and his wife in some of the fruits of my labours!

Awesome.... now... how much to give them ??? ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D Hmmmmm.....

manxman · May 12, 2009, 02:24:22 PM

QuoteI ship frozen fish and frozen smoked salmon frequently and have never had a problem with sending it vac sealed, in cardboard box w/ styrofoam innards (and sometimes a small Igloo ice chest sealed with duct tape) and a frozen gel pack.

I sent some frozen kippers (smoked herring) across the pond to Iceman a while back in exchange for some of his sauce, packed as Kummock mentioned above.

Pat lived to tell the tale OK!! ::) ;) :D

tsquared · May 12, 2009, 09:16:14 PM

QuoteCan't speak to Canadian shipping regulations (cuz I smuggle everything up here....juuuuuust kidding, T2!!),

Mum's the word Kummok! :D
T2

Roadking · May 13, 2009, 06:53:12 AM

Quote from: Kummok on May 09, 2009, 07:27:28 PM
Can't speak to Canadian shipping regulations (cuz I smuggle everything up here....juuuuuust kidding, T2!!), but I'm not allowed to ship dry ice packed fish from here to America...it off-gasses CO2.

I've made fishing trips to Canada and have shipped to the states using dry ice. We had to pack them in a coolers like the Igloo brand and tape the entire cooler with two layers of duct tape (sealing all seams). Also we had to sign a document that only 5 pounds of dry ice was in the cooler. If you prefreeze the fish and pack with 5 lbs. of dry ice it'll last for around 3 days. There was still about 2 lbs. of ice left when we opened them. You are not allowed to pack in cardboard containers.

Kummok · May 13, 2009, 10:00:03 AM

Quote from: tsquared on May 12, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
QuoteCan't speak to Canadian shipping regulations (cuz I smuggle everything up here....juuuuuust kidding, T2!!),
Mum's the word Kummok! :D
T2

Truth be told, I've never knowingly taken any restricted items through BC/YK...my Dad however, brought a 20mm anti-tank rifle through WITH all the ammo, back in the 70s....it was in the back of his wagon, covered with personal effects.....it's a wonder that he didn't spend a lifetime in prison for THAT one!! :o :o

About 2 years ago, I crossed with an inert pineapple grenade in the original OD container sitting on the transmission hump. I'd set it there to remind me to bury it in the back of the trailer and then forgot it was there. While NOT illegal, it's something that might make me sit at the border for a day or two while they search for the "real" stuff that isn't there...pretty much a bonehead move on my part that day but they didn't see it!! :-X

iceman · May 20, 2009, 09:13:53 AM

I ship frozen salmon to California and Phoenix in small Styrofoam coolers with gel packs like Kummock without any problems.
And BTW Manx we still talk about that kipper you sent. Had some folks over from your side of the pond and they got to enjoy the last of it with us last of the year. That will be something I will spend years trying to duplicate the taste of.

ExpatCanadian · May 20, 2009, 11:05:58 AM

I'm nearly there in my endeavors to ship some of Kummok's salmon to Amsterdam. It was actually quite difficult to locate shipping supplies for frozen goods that weren't being sold in commercial quantities.... but finally settled on Sorba-Freeze packs. I already have some styrofoam shipping "coolers" left over from years ago when I didn't have a decent local supplier for pork ribs and would actually order them frozen from a butcher in the north of England! Anyway, I've now lined up a courier who guarantees delivery within 48 hours... so as soon as my sorba-freeze thingys arrive I'll be shipping.... and will have a perfect excuse to smoke some more!

Now... Manxman.... so very jealous that you managed to get some of this legendary Iceman BBQ sauce over here in return for your kippers!! Not sure what I could possibly offer that would bring Iceman out of retirement... looks like I've missed the boat on this one!? ;) ;) ;) (Feel free to jump in here anytime Iceman!!!)

manxman · May 20, 2009, 02:34:03 PM

QuoteThat will be something I will spend years trying to duplicate the taste of.

They were kippers smoked commercially here on the Isle of Man but by traditional methods dating back over 100 years. I have tried to reproduce the taste myself but not managed to get close as yet. The herring have arrived here again this year but I think the size and oil content is not good enough to produce good kippers.

Just found out that a friend used to work in the local smokehouse as a boy so he is going to help me next time I have a good catch of herring. ;)

QuoteNow... Manxman.... so very jealous that you managed to get some of this legendary Iceman BBQ sauce over here in return for your kippers!!

Something else I would like to duplicate the taste of! Pat's BBQ sauce is legendary and fully justifies the acclaim. A short while ago I found a jar that had rolled to the back of a cupboard when we moved house a while ago ...... what a bonus!!

Unfortunately we can only just sit and stare at the empty jar now!! ;) :D

shipping smoked salmon

lumpy